Know What This Means 2014-10-13

[MerchManDan]

So - what would the consensus be if Wapsi Square became all about Atsali, the Ursa Twins, Calista (aka "Cricket"), Castela (aka "Pickle") and their supernatural adventures?

....I'd thought that had already happened.



Kidding, not serious.

[AnotherFairportfan]

Shoulda given a link to Drusilla. And not in the middle of one of the Shakespeare chapters. This is possibly the best one.

I like the one where she (in civilian clothing, so to speak) asks the priest if he's ever exercised a demon.

When he asks if she meant "exorcised", she replies "I meant what I said."

And then there's this one, which was the ultimate triggering event that caused him to switch Pibgorn from Comics.com to GoComics, after the editors turned down his original dialog for Dru's final balloon, and his first revision. (He restored the original dialog here - which is ironic, in a way, because some while after, Comics.com and GoCOmics merged and it stayed this way.)

[zachariah]

Aed - Part of the 'problem' may be with the English word "love". Greek has four words that get translated as "love" in English.

Warr - And it doesn't look to me like any of the four would be the obvious choice in translating the sentence "I love strawberries.".
(This is of course assuming that "strawberries" is not a person's nickname.)

Zachariah - The greeks had their thought together. We are stuck with one word with multiple meaning. Between humans it generally falls into eros or agape. We can all figure out what eros is about. Agape is where fall the other meanings. Which basically means unconditional love, which is what we give to others who we are not jumping into bed with. Children, parents, friends, etc. You could even include rock stars. For one of the better discussions by an author about both I would suggest "Time Enough For Love" by Heinlein.

Lake_wrangler - I would tend to disagree on the English language only using two of the meanings. Agape is a self-sacrificial kind of love, which goes beyond just friendship and brotherly love (phileos).
You know, kinda like: "I love you bud, you're my bro! ... But don't expect me to take a bullet for you..." As opposed to "Let her go, take me hostage instead! I'll do anything, just don't hurt her!

That is what I mean. Agape includes all of the shades of non-eros meanings. What you stated is unconditional love for your Bro. You don't have to love them enough to take a bullet for them. But you will for those you do love enough. We could right a book, 1,000,000 shakes of Agape and still not cover everything. Eros has about as many, if not more, shades as well. Then both of these words are but subsets of the general word love. I think that is the point about english. THe meaning of love is always affected by context and personal knowledge about the person using it.

Drops the write coin into the jar.

[Wapsi]

Demons in the Wapsi Square universe are totally separate from what cultures in our universe call demons. Incubi and sucubi don't really count as demons in Wapsi, although misguided humans may have referred to them as such.

[Dave]

That is what I mean. Agape includes all of the shades of non-eros meanings. What you stated is unconditional love for your Bro. You don't have to love them enough to take a bullet for them. But you will for those you do love enough.

Well... I'd sorta call that conditional! (Hums a few bars of "I just dropped in, to see what condition my condition was in.")

We could right a book, 1,000,000 shakes of Agape and still not cover everything. Eros has about as many, if not more, shades as well. Then both of these words are but subsets of the general word love. I think that is the point about english. THe meaning of love is always affected by context and personal knowledge about the person using it.

By some of the classic accounts (e.g. the definitions given by C.S. Lewis) , there are actually four categories: agape (unconditional love), eros (romantic and/or sexual love), philia (the love between friends), and storge (affection or familial love).

Lewis seems to have been big on storge, writing that it was responsible for about 90% of all solid, long-lasting human happiness.

By Lewis's definitions, it seems to me that "brotherly" or "sisterly" love, as they are usually defined, might involve philia, storge, or both. Might start out as storge (mostly the affection of familiarity) and then come to include philia as a deeper friendship develops over time.

School Counselor #1: "Finally got the new girl's schedule worked out! Math, english, gym, history, chemistry, and choir."
School Counselor #2: "CHOIR? ARE YOU INSANE?!"
School Counselor #1: "What? She needs an elective and I can't just dump her in band. How about theater? That could be fun for her. They're working on a musical this year!"
School Counselor #2: *repeatedly headdesks*

//chortle//

I think you just defined a fifth category: "love" as in "I really love my job as a school counselor". I suppose there's probably a Greek term which would mean "sardonic love"?

As far as an elective... would the school give her credit for working on the stage crew? Assuming that she can get her balance back well enough to fly, she'd be a natural for working on the Leko lights, putting up decorations, and so forth.

[zachariah]

Demons in the Wapsi Square universe are totally separate from what cultures in our universe call demons. Incubi and sucubi don't really count as demons in Wapsi, although misguided humans may have referred to them as such.

Thanks for the clarification about this. That puts them into the para grouping without the wapsi demon connection their typical definition would indicate. Given the bad press sirens are given, the incubi and sucubi would also receive bad press. Their nature and ability to attract made them threatening to many people. The main western religion, and their banning all but a narrow spectrum of acceptable sex, would cast them as evil for tempting good people to commit sins of a carnal nature. Thus giving them the name of demon by those who did not understand the difference.

[zachariah]

That is what I mean. Agape includes all of the shades of non-eros meanings. What you stated is unconditional love for your Bro. You don't have to love them enough to take a bullet for them. But you will for those you do love enough.

Well... I'd sorta call that conditional! (Hums a few bars of "I just dropped in, to see what condition my condition was in.")

We could right a book, 1,000,000 shakes of Agape and still not cover everything. Eros has about as many, if not more, shades as well. Then both of these words are but subsets of the general word love. I think that is the point about english. THe meaning of love is always affected by context and personal knowledge about the person using it.

By some of the classic accounts (e.g. the definitions given by C.S. Lewis) , there are actually four categories: agape (unconditional love), eros (romantic and/or sexual love), philia (the love between friends), and storge (affection or familial love).

Lewis seems to have been big on storge, writing that it was responsible for about 90% of all solid, long-lasting human happiness.

By Lewis's definitions, it seems to me that "brotherly" or "sisterly" love, as they are usually defined, might involve philia, storge, or both. Might start out as storge (mostly the affection of familiarity) and then come to include philia as a deeper friendship develops over time.

While you have some points they are all based upon WHOSE definition, among the many classical, and newer, people who have written about the subject. You chose Lewis, I chose Heinlein. Let's just agree the subject is very complex and can be discussed for hours just getting to agree on which perception and definition to use.

Deciding to take a bullet is not based upon love but upon the person making the choice. Some will, some won't but that will not change the agape bro feelings from being unconditional. We are never friends based on the idea you can only be friends if you will take a bullet for them. We never know if we will until the moment arises and we react. You either stand or duck based upon your choice.

[Grantwhy]

So - what would the consensus be if Wapsi Square became all about Atsali, the Ursa Twins, Calista (aka "Cricket"), Castela (aka "Pickle") and their supernatural adventures?

I'm ok with that. The 'Main Cast' have had enough adventures for a while and deserve a rest.

I can see only one problem: Will Waspi Square be renamed Waspi 90210, Waspi Saved By The Bell, Waspi Creek, Welcome back Mr Meadows etc

[DoctorOverlord]

Demons in the Wapsi Square universe are totally separate from what cultures in our universe call demons. Incubi and sucubi don't really count as demons in Wapsi, although misguided humans may have referred to them as such.

Demons in the Wapsi-verse being the inner doubts and fears that we've seen manifest in various forms? While incubi and succubi are just magical creatures, that makes sense.

I took the hearts to mean that Nadette loves her sister.
Berdine will do almost anything to protect Nadette and Nadette appreciates it.
Sisterly love and not erotic love.

I had not thought of that! Like others I interpreted the hearts to be directed at Atsali, but I like your explanation better because it's different

[Elvis]

btw, how many people have the possibility to use teleport magic?

[AnotherFairportfan]

btw, how many people have the possibility to use teleport magic?

The only ones i can definitively say, offhand, would be Monica and the GGs.

[kingklash]

So - what would the consensus be if Wapsi Square became all about Atsali, the Ursa Twins, Calista (aka "Cricket"), Castela (aka "Pickle") and their supernatural adventures?

I'm ok with that. The 'Main Cast' have had enough adventures for a while and deserve a rest.

I can see only one problem: Will Waspi Square be renamed Waspi 90210, Waspi Saved By The Bell, Waspi Creek, Welcome back Mr Meadows etc

Jim Henson's Paul Taylor's Wapsi Square Babies Featuring Dinky Dietzel.

[lake_wrangler]

btw, how many people have the possibility to use teleport magic?

The only ones i can definitively say, offhand, would be Monica and the GGs.

And Tepoz. Let's not forget Tepoz...

[AnotherFairportfan]

Maybe. His poiting is very specialised, and doesn't appear to apply to himself.

(I thought about him; the only time i can recall off-hand that he apparently poited himself was coming back from Salt Lake City.

And that may have involved a bus, we don't know how long he was gone.

(Also, it was early enough that Paul might not have firmed up that aspect in his own mind.)

[Dave]

This sequence (here and the next couple of days) show Tepoz poiting Nudge, from ??? to Mucho Mocha, and (apparently) travelling along with her.

It doesn't specifically show him poiting himelf. However, he wasn't visible at Mucho Mocha earlier in the sequence. So, unless he just happened to walk in the door at the crucial instant 'cause he had a serious Jones for an espresso, and then pull-poited Nudge there from ???, I'd have to say that he poited them both there together (presumably at Nudge's urgent request).

"Playing soccer mom" means "I'm driving, and taking someone who isn't able to drive", no?

[lake_wrangler]

This sequence (here and the next couple of days) show Tepoz poiting Nudge, from ??? to Mucho Mocha, and (apparently) travelling along with her.

It doesn't specifically show him poiting himelf. However, he wasn't visible at Mucho Mocha earlier in the sequence. So, unless he just happened to walk in the door at the crucial instant 'cause he had a serious Jones for an espresso, and then pull-poited Nudge there from ???, I'd have to say that he poited them both there together (presumably at Nudge's urgent request).

"Playing soccer mom" means "I'm driving, and taking someone who isn't able to drive", no?

Yes, playing soccer mom means driving other people around to their activities.

However, I don't think this was at Mucho Mocha, but in someone's kitchen. For one thing, Tina wouldn't dress like that at Mucho Mocha...

I was thinking Monica's place, at first, but I am now guessing Bud and Brandi's apartment. And they all come in, one by one, and asking the same question: are we not going to the island?

[Sidhekin]

Tepoz escaped the fly paper, presumably by poiting. He showed up at Jin's place, presumably by poiting. And later at Monica's place, when he was calling a truce, he startled her, definitely appearing by poiting.

If it's not his own poiting, whose is it?

(Likewise leaving the Cerberus club. Okay, there were other poiters there, but none paying any more attention to him after he did his sober-up-the-leviathan job.)

The real question is why the three underdressed girls in a goddamn slushstorm didn't poit themselves back home ...

[lake_wrangler]

I think you can blame that one on brain freeze...

[Dave]

However, I don't think this was at Mucho Mocha, but in someone's kitchen. For one thing, Tina wouldn't dress like that at Mucho Mocha...

I was thinking Monica's place, at first, but I am now guessing Bud and Brandi's apartment. And they all come in, one by one, and asking the same question: are we not going to the island?

Right you are... I was conflating this particular get-together with a different meeting at Mucho Mocha.

So, it's even less probable that Tepoz just happen to "walk in", I think... poiting in with Nudge makes more sense.

[AnotherFairportfan]

Okay. I was wrong.

No need to pile on.

{*snf*}. I'ma just go over here in the corner and whine resentfully ... {*snf*}