Died Alone 2014-08-29

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Re: Died Alone 2014-08-29

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WilliamCA wrote:
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WilliamCA wrote:Can someone explain who Lily is. I have no idea whats going on and where she has been etc.
Starts Here.
Thanks but it doesn't explain who or what she is other then she's some kind of vampire.
Well, to get the full story you'd have to (at least) read from there, until now.

To sum it up, though: (and this contains SPOILERS for anyone who hasn't read through, so if you don't want your experience spoiled, stop reading now!)

So: Lily is a vampire. Like other Wapsiverse vampires, she became one due the way she died... alone, forgotten, and without hope. Wapsiverse vampirism apparently does not involve an "infectious bite", as is often portrayed in our fiction.

Her death-and-undead-resurrection took place about 5000 years ago. She's been around a long time.

Lily is a surviver (sort of) of the Ethetian civilization - and the Ethetians were a New World civilization which was, itself, a set of survivors from the Lanthian disaster more than 10,000 years ago.

Lily, and all the other Ethetians alive at the time, were tricked into going into a form of electronic stasis as a way of avoiding a (not-so-natural) disaster. Rather than being revived after the environment settled back down, most of the Ethetians were left in stasis (suspended but aware) to go slowly mad. A different but equally nasty thing was done to pregnant Ethetian women - their unborn babies were brought out of stasis in the middle of the oceans (to immediately drown) and the women were brought out of stasis in the middle of various deserts (to die without hope). That's how Lily died.

Something even quirkier happened in Lily's case. A few Ethetian women were pregnant with twins or triplets (or more). Lily was one such... she would have had quadruplets. The stasis system wasn't properly programmed to handle more than three unborn children... three of them ended up in stasis normally (and were eventually drowned), while Lily's fourth unborn child (a girl) was routed into a stasis crystal along with the fourth unborn children of *five* other Ethetian women. This six-fold "combined child" was not, for as-yet-unknown reasons, drowned at sea... instead, she was left in a stasis crystal until a few decades ago, when the crystal was discovered by an expedition of the Men In Black. The child was revived from stasis and raised to adulthood (presumably by foster parents arranged by the MIB).

That six-in-one timeshifted, orphaned child (a chimera of some sort) is now the woman we know as Katherine Gilchrist... Castela and Atsali's adoptive mother.

So, Lily is Katherine's mother, or one of her mothers. As far as we know, Kath's other five maternal contributors are all fully dead, as of about 5000 years ago... but that might not be the case.

That's part of why Lily is so broken up right now, it seems. She has the memory of three unborn children who were murdered... and her fourth unborn child was taken away, and became part of a composite individual (Kath) of whom Lily was quite unaware until very recently. Her past is a painful one, and recent events have added salt, vinegar, and barbed wire, and then thrown her past right into her face.

Can Paul Taylor spin a yarn, or what? :D
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Dave wrote:That's part of why Lily is so broken up right now, it seems. She has the memory of three unborn children who were murdered... and her fourth unborn child was taken away, and became part of a composite individual (Kath) of whom Lily was quite unaware until very recently. Her past is a painful one, and recent events have added salt, vinegar, and barbed wire, and then thrown her past right into her face.

Can Paul Taylor spin a yarn, or what? :D

he sure can... the only thing I'd like to change about your explanation is that Lily DOESN'T have a memory of her children being murdered, as she was in stasis at the time, or at least was not able to remember it happening, from her own quote that she and the other five women woke up with various injuries, and not remembering how they got there... to me that meant a bit of short term memory loss due to either editing of their data files in storage, or trauma of the conversion process, such that none of them "knew" what had happened to ANYONE else, let alone themselves... and that she only found out that Katherine was her child (one sixth hers anyways) when Atsali-the-Computer blurted it out to them after they put the Nu Gui into the data buffer crystal...
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scantrontb wrote:he sure can... the only thing I'd like to change about your explanation is that Lily DOESN'T have a memory of her children being murdered, as she was in stasis at the time, or at least was not able to remember it happening, from her own quote that she and the other five women woke up with various injuries, and not remembering how they got there... to me that meant a bit of short term memory loss due to either editing of their data files in storage, or trauma of the conversion process, such that none of them "knew" what had happened to ANYONE else, let alone themselves... and that she only found out that Katherine was her child (one sixth hers anyways) when Atsali-the-Computer blurted it out to them after they put the Nu Gui into the data buffer crystal...
True, Lily apparently doesn't remember witnessing her children being murdered... as far as we know, she never saw that happen, any more than any of the other Ethetian women did. She said she woke up in the desert not knowing how she got there.

But, she apparently does seem to remember the fact that she *had* children on the way at the time she died. I don't think we have evidence that she suffered from any "retrograde" amnesia (i.e. erasure of memories of times before she went into stasis)... so, I think it's reasonable to assume that she remembers that she was pregnant, prior to everything going to hell.
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Dave wrote:But, she apparently does seem to remember the fact that she *had* children on the way at the time she died. I don't think we have evidence that she suffered from any "retrograde" amnesia (i.e. erasure of memories of times before she went into stasis)... so, I think it's reasonable to assume that she remembers that she was pregnant, prior to everything going to hell.

oh no, i meant just like the last five minutes of her personal time line, because it seems as if she didn't have ANY sense of time while in the 800+ years of stasis until Brandi tried to retrieve them, then for Lily it would have seemed like she was trying to escape the end of the world (as per Thup's plan) and star-gated into the Mapimi Storage Facility... then during the sabotaged retrieval (noodle-incident), we find out that A) the babies are dumped into the oceans, b) the moms are put to the deserts, and c)the rest of the population is woken up and blended while still inside the system. i think that the various wounds that the mothers that were with Lily suffered were probably pregnancy related ones in that they knew they had kids like "5 minutes ago" but now they didn't!! and the ones that were further along were more heavily injured during the reintegration process because more of the body was "edited" out of HER body and placed into the crystal with the first thru fourth BABIES crystals... i would think that if she were to have been conscious during the 800+ years before Brandi started to revive them she wouldn't have been SANE anymore... as for the REST of the population, i think they also started out as "properly stored" with no interaction with each other, and NOT conscious while in the crystal storage units, and only started to go (more) insane at that point due to the blending effect in addition to what they were already crazy about before they went into stasis...
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Bathorys Daughter wrote:
illiad wrote:shadowinthelight: ROFLMAOUIH!!! :D

Jabberwonky: hey just look at 'photoclubs... (NSFW!) :) :twisted:

or for all natural .. dont click if you have nervous disposition (or the boss is watching for NSFW!!! )... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Oh yuck! Do men actually find that stimulating? Don't get me wrong, even as a (generally) heterosexual woman I can still find a shapely pair of breasts pleasant to view, but comon ...
Some do, apparently.

For my part, the existence of so many such clips is enough to make me question my heterosexuality ...
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WilliamCA wrote:
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WilliamCA wrote:Can someone explain who Lily is. I have no idea whats going on and where she has been etc.
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Thanks but it doesn't explain who or what she is other then she's some kind of vampire.
She is the last surviving Anasazi.
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Sidhekin wrote:
Bathorys Daughter wrote:
illiad wrote:shadowinthelight: ROFLMAOUIH!!! :D

Jabberwonky: hey just look at 'photoclubs... (NSFW!) :) :twisted:

or for all natural .. dont click if you have nervous disposition (or the boss is watching for NSFW!!! )... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
:)
Oh yuck! Do men actually find that stimulating? Don't get me wrong, even as a (generally) heterosexual woman I can still find a shapely pair of breasts pleasant to view, but comon ...
Some do, apparently.

For my part, the existence of so many such clips is enough to make me question my heterosexuality ...
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From the Omnibus:
• Pratt, Lily – One of the Vampire girls who work for the FBI. She is the slightly more practical one – though she wears dreadlocks (and occasionally not much else). She has two paranormal grandchildren. Still gets sick to her stomach in the presence of her daughter's friends.
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Bathorys Daughter wrote:
illiad wrote:shadowinthelight: ROFLMAOUIH!!! :D

Jabberwonky: hey just look at 'photoclubs... (NSFW!) :) :twisted:

or for all natural .. dont click if you have nervous disposition (or the boss is watching for NSFW!!! )... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
:)
Oh yuck! Do men actually find that stimulating? Don't get me wrong, even as a (generally) heterosexual woman I can still find a shapely pair of breasts pleasant to view, but comon ...
you have to understand poor beguiled men.... they cannot help themselves, as anthropologists say - they are drawn to what will be the best for child-rearing, and their hormones tell them to do it!! The best example is a friend of mine, who on getting past 70, said it was like being 'freed from a wild animal' :o :shock:

I put it to you, what if women did not have any visible breasts?? (for much of the animal kingdom, it is not easy to tell the difference!!) would you want to 'chase' a handsome person, only to find they have NO interest, or are the wrong sex???
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AnotherFairportfan wrote:She is the last surviving Anasazi.
I believe that she is one of the last two surviving Anasazi, Katherine being the other. Both Lilly and Katherine can use the Anasazi stargates, ancient technology keyed to the genetic make up of the Anasazi and therefore uncontrollable by anyone else.
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Aed wrote:
AnotherFairportfan wrote:She is the last surviving Anasazi.
I believe that she is one of the last two surviving Anasazi, Katherine being the other. Both Lilly and Katherine can use the Anasazi stargates, ancient technology keyed to the genetic make up of the Anasazi and therefore uncontrollable by anyone else.
Okay - i think you're right.

In fact, i think Katherine was specifically told that she was the last living Anasazi.
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Heh. Memorable moment: The Senior Director told Kath Lily was one of the last two living Anasazi, and Atsali quibbled with calling her "living". 8-)
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Sidhekin wrote:Heh. Memorable moment: The Senior Director told Kath Lily was one of the last two living Anasazi, and Atsali quibbled with calling her "living". 8-)
That's why i originally phrased it as "last surviving"...
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AnotherFairportfan wrote:Katherine was specifically told that she was the last living Anasazi.
Well, technically there are six living Anasazi...but Katherine is all six of them, so I'm not sure it counts...

BTW, does anyone know whether Kath is a sixfold human chimera, genetically a single person, a dodecaploid, or what? I have an inquiring mind; I want to know.
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Prester Fred wrote:
AnotherFairportfan wrote:Katherine was specifically told that she was the last living Anasazi.
Well, technically there are six living Anasazi...but Katherine is all six of them, so I'm not sure it counts...

BTW, does anyone know whether Kath is a sixfold human chimera, genetically a single person, a dodecaploid, or what? I have an inquiring mind; I want to know.
I don't think that Paul has shown or told us what Katherine's genetic makeup truly is. If you want to put on your tin foil hat and speculate with the rest of us, then please do so.

Earlier in this thread I made the case for Katherine being a normal genetic female with DNA and other physical information provided by the last Akashic record dumped into the overflow crystal and the blended souls of six children. Other folks feel that it is possible to blend the Akashic records of six individuals and get someone who looks human but with twelve sets of genetic material instead of some type of blob from a massive teleporter accident. :?

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Since Paul tends to start with reality and then bend things to fit the story, I'm guessing that all six babies in a blend would have to be female. One of the two 'X' chromosomes is randomly deactivated during early cell growth resulting in females being 'stripey'. Since the 'Y' chromosomes are not deactivated, I am guessing that a blended individual made up of male and female babies would possibly be a hermaphrodite -- having characteristics of both genders. Paul's drawing of Katherine, however, have always pictured her as being all female. vOv This is a fantasy universe so I suppose that anything could happen.

What do you think?
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Aed wrote:
Prester Fred wrote:BTW, does anyone know whether Kath is a sixfold human chimera, genetically a single person, a dodecaploid, or what? I have an inquiring mind; I want to know.
I don't think that Paul has shown or told us what Katherine's genetic makeup truly is. If you want to put on your tin foil hat and speculate with the rest of us, then please do so.
First, I think you should never show anyone that picture again as long as you live.

Second, I'm going to make a Wild Mass Guess (and as a special service to the forum, I am providing no link to tvtropes). I think Katherine' genetics are normal now, but took a while to get that way. Basically, instead of twenty-three chromosome pairs, she had twenty-three chromosome dozens. While her six souls were fusing together or forming a committee or whatever they were doing, her genetic structure was playing a double-elimination tournament, picking the "best" pair from each dozen. If we assume three of the original babies were male and three female, that makes three Y's and nine X's in the twenty-third set. Even assuming that selecting one Y would immediately eliminate the other two, that's still thirty-six possible XX combinations, and only eighteen XY pairs. The odds would favor a female child resulting.

If there were two girls and four boys, it would be even odds (16:16), while four girls and two boys would make it 64:16 in favor of a girl.

...Okay, my brain is tired now, and is demanding less math and more sleep.
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