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New and unexplored territory has been broached in High-Nitrogen Chemistry!!!

Here's some background information on CL-20

Gawds, I do dearly love that guy's writing style.

And, yeah, a couple of kilos of that peroxide-laden nitro-cage madness ought to have enough Earth-Shattering-Kaboom potential to keep even Glytch occupied and amused for at least an hour.

Hydrogen peroxide? Pfffft. Real death defying chemistry must include FlUorine, eh?

From somewhere I remember an article where the chemistry teacher let the 7th graders loose with a set of molecule builder model bits. A young lady managed to build a Christmas tree of methane molecules, but it was one hydrogen sticking out of a triple bond carbon bound to a nest of nitrogens. It was written up with the help of a local college professor as a potential rocket fuel, but calculations showed it to be so unstable that it would detonate above 150K (about -120C). Oh, well. It was a pretty model, though!

Edited for late night speelleeing and even worse math.

I wonder A) if it's possible to make a monotomic gas of nitrogen, and B) what would happen if you dipped the CL-20+H2O2 into it. Besides a violent explosion. Because if that could put even more nitrogens onto the same compound, the resulting chemical would have to be HILARIOUSLY twitchy.

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Atomic wrote:Hydrogen peroxide? Pfffft. Real death defying chemistry must include Florine, eh?

OOOH. YOU! YOU I LIKE. That is the obvious next step: O2F2 instead of H2O2 if it's possible... And then move onwards to Fluorine PerPeroxides. Then try the monotomic Nitrogen trick on top of that...

GlytchMeister wrote:I wonder A) if it's possible to make a monotomic gas of nitrogen, and B) what would happen if you dipped the CL-20+H2O2 into it. Besides a violent explosion. Because if that could put even more nitrogens onto the same compound, the resulting chemical would have to be HILARIOUSLY twitchy.

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Atomic wrote:Hydrogen peroxide? Pfffft. Real death defying chemistry must include Florine, eh?

OOOH. YOU! YOU I LIKE. That is the obvious next step: O2F2 instead of H2O2 if it's possible... And then move onwards to Fluorine PerPeroxides. Then try the monotomic Nitrogen trick on top of that...

As somebody commented in that article: "By remote control. From another continent."

Dave wrote:As somebody commented in that article: "By remote control. From another continent."

Where's the fun in that?

You probably get to keep your fingers, eyes, and gonads intact. That has to count for something.

Dave wrote:You probably get to keep your fingers, eyes, and gonads intact. That has to count for something.

That's what the armor is for!

Darth Glytch wrote:Interns are also pretty useful for this sort of thing.

Hush, you.

That was the best technical writing I've read in months! Man, I work on stuff by people with multiple postdoc degrees who make a living slicing up dead rats to see how their recombinant DNA molecular biology mad science worked--but those guys just don't have the elan, even with practically unlimited access to nitrous oxide.

I'm having so much fun learn'n stuff with you guys; Here is what is currently passing through the workspace (I'm proof-reading and 'print-to-PDF'ing the word document...)

Fischer–Tropsch process
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E ... ch_process

Lets have fun w/ Heat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrolysis

Thermal Anaerobic Gasifier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasification

That F-T Process reminds me of something I heard about not too long ago, hold on... Lemme get my google-fu on...

https://energy.gov/articles/scientists- ... o2-ethanol

https://www.ornl.gov/news/nano-spike-ca ... ly-ethanol

https://energy.gov/articles/scientists- ... using-gold

Oh, hey, it came out of Oak Ridge! I used to live near there! Home of K-25 and the occasional three-eyed-deer! (Yes, a hunter around there shot and ate one. He said it tasted pretty good.)

I never heard of the mighty Susquehanna atomic carp below Three Mile Island having three eyes.

I did hear that they cooked themselves if you pulled them out of the water.

Strictly old school here- Torpex, RDX, C-4 and detcord works sufficiently enough for me... hell, I can amuse myself with Hercules #12 or even common black!

Sgt. Howard wrote:hell, I can amuse myself with Hercules #12 or even common black!

Just be careful of sparks and open flames while working with black powder.

GlytchMeister wrote:

Dave wrote:You probably get to keep your fingers, eyes, and gonads intact. That has to count for something.

That's what the armor is for!

Darth Glytch wrote:Interns are also pretty useful for this sort of thing.

Hush, you.

We're going to need another Timmy...

Substance N, also known as Chlorine Trifluoride:

"It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers..."

TazManiac wrote:Lets have fun w/ Heat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrolysis

Man, that one really takes me back... specifically, to junior high school chemistry class.

We did one experiment which amounted to "destructive distillation of wood"... stuffing pieces of wood into Pyrex test tubes, pyrolizing them over Bunsen burners, piping the smoke into other (cooled) test tubes and condensing out the liquids, and then doing a very simple analysis by weight (water content, tars and other volatile materials, and ash left behind).

I remember that the whole classroom smelled like a hickory-smoked-ribs place (minus the ribs) for weeks afterwards.