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Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:40 pm
by AnotherFairportfan
Don't think Castela quite understands her situation yet.

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And what's it going do to her when she realises that she can't help at all...

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:48 pm
by Alkarii
How about when she realizes she was there the whole time, the first time?

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:08 am
by Opus the Poet
Yeah, that's gonna really hurt,

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:57 am
by ChattaStarhawk
How long do you think it will take before she realizes that she's seeing shades of the past and that there is nothing she can do to alter anything?

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:06 am
by oldmanmickey
She will realize about 3 seconds after she tries to get involved and finds her fists hitting nothing. Then she has to figure out just when and where she is, that's when the feels start.

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:32 am
by DilyV
oldmanmickey wrote:She will realize about 3 seconds after she tries to get involved and finds her fists hitting nothing. Then she has to figure out just when and where she is, that's when the feels start.
It's like a waking dream that you have no control over... and you know how to resolve the problem but nothing ever works in those dreams... ever. No matter how hard you try, nothing follows common sense guidelines... everything works in exact opposition to your intent...

I fear that what will destroy Castela's mind is not being able to do ANYTHING to help.

Man I'm gonna hate reading the next few strips...

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:20 pm
by oldmanmickey
DilyV wrote:
oldmanmickey wrote:She will realize about 3 seconds after she tries to get involved and finds her fists hitting nothing. Then she has to figure out just when and where she is, that's when the feels start.
It's like a waking dream that you have no control over... and you know how to resolve the problem but nothing ever works in those dreams... ever. No matter how hard you try, nothing follows common sense guidelines... everything works in exact opposition to your intent...

I fear that what will destroy Castela's mind is not being able to do ANYTHING to help.

Man I'm gonna hate reading the next few strips...
I don't think it will destroy her but i do firmly believe she will be vastly different when she comes out the other side. She doesn't know she was created to be a weapon. That is gonna have a big effect imho.

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:36 pm
by chicgeek
Actually, she does. Remember the cafeteria scene where she was stomping Cricket? She was told about being rescued from a lab, where they were trying to hybridize the blackthorn. And Cricket lying to her about the fae young Castela killed, pretending it was from the Unseelie court and not one of her father's guard sent to protect her-so she wouldn't realize what she'd done and feel bad.
I know when Katherine showed up, she told her the fae were not her enemy, that they'd have a long talk at home, and that she would never be abandoned. We never saw that talk, and there's a limit as to what she could have told kindergartener Castela anyway...probably reassurance and brownies.
But even if she refused to believe it or forgot it, Cricket did tell her about the lab.
I may have been going on an archive binge...
Still, poor Castela! Be careful what you ask for.

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:46 pm
by Dave
oldmanmickey wrote:I don't think it will destroy her but i do firmly believe she will be vastly different when she comes out the other side. She doesn't know she was created to be a weapon. That is gonna have a big effect imho.
Actually, I think she'd pretty much figured that out already.

What she didn't know (I think) was that she'd been fought over... or just what the damage from that battle had been.

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:05 pm
by FreeFlier
And the damage would be enough to give anyone issues . . . I suspect that 17-year-old Castela is trying to be The High Protector.

Which would explain the threat display.

--FreeFlier

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:41 am
by AnotherFairportfan
FreeFlier wrote:And the damage would be enough to give anyone issues . . . I suspect that 17-year-old Castela is trying to be The High Protector.

Which would explain the threat display.

--FreeFlier
Twenty-one year old Castela has it down even better.

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:59 am
by FreeFlier
Got crossed up on which was which.

--FreeFlier

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:53 am
by TazManiac
"... And just as you are weighing which self-defence response to make as the Scary-Lady charges at you full speed-- right before the moment of impact, she 'POOOF!'s out into a Ballistic Tumbleweed, enveloping you in a thorny mass, sending you ass-over-tea-kettle, to your doom... "

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:04 pm
by AmriloJim
My guess on the next plot development:
Castel's path intersects with either a player or projectile. She quickly realizes the holographic properties of this room. Aghast, she sees the gunfire pierce the door/wall of the safe room and discovers she can "walk through" the door to check on A'sawi.

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:37 pm
by Catawampus
What I find noteworthy is that Castela's immediate response is to protect the kid and get her to safety. That gives a good bit of insight as to what sort of a person she is.

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:14 pm
by TazManiac
Catawampus wrote:What I find noteworthy is that Castela's immediate response is to protect the kid and get her to safety. That gives a good bit of insight as to what sort of a person she is.
And you know she's sincere cause she is salty like a Sailor... :)

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:30 pm
by eee
Extreme existential horror in 3, 2, 1...

You have to wonder why Phix is doing it this way. Why not a MiB report, a dry forensics recreation, a simple narrative? Why the Q room, and showing her all this in living (and dying) color? This is like Monica throwing Calista to her demons without explaining what was going on. This is going to be very traumatic.

I'm wondering if, ever since Bud and Shelly discovered just how dangerous Castela is, the MiB have been in full panic mode about having the equivalent of a walking nuclear bomb - or worse - around. And they and Phix have come up with this to try to forcibly mature Pickle and show her that with great power comes great responsibility, and she needs to be VERY careful what she does. Which I think is a lesson she already knows. I'd be more afraid she'll see what we think is coming and decide "Humans created me to be an ultimate weapon. Humans killed my adoptive family and orphaned me and Atsali when I was too young to realize it. Humans destroy and damage everything. Humans are the ENEMY, and they have to go!!!" Which would not be good for anyone...

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:21 am
by GlytchMeister
I think the reason Phix is using the Q room is to ensure Castela gets EVERYTHING. Not just one person's version of the story. Not some biased view. The Library is simulating the reality as it was observed and reported by everyone who wrote anything factual about the event.

She is trying to ensure there isn't a titanic misunderstanding. No "oh, I wish I'd have known that before I jumped off the slippery slope" situations.

If Castela can't handle this, Phix will have to take responsibility and try to help Castela get her mind right. If, however, Castela CAN handle it, and does so correctly, she will be given the tools, the knowledge necessary to help her sister. And possibly to make some big changes and improvements regarding that damned shadow government.

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:25 am
by FreeFlier
Point.

Even official reports miss things, especially about events with no survivors.

Though in that case, at least none of the witnesses should be lying.

--FreeFlier

Re: Help Out 2016-11-04

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:45 am
by GlytchMeister
FreeFlier wrote:Point.

Even official reports miss things, especially about events with no survivors.

Though in that case, at least none of the witnesses should be lying.

--FreeFlier
True, but this is a reconstruction based on every report written on the event. Including what the Shadow Government probably wrote.

Between all of that, it's probably gonna come pretty darn close. And that's better than nothing.

There's also less chance of a "lost in translation" issue. A lot is lost when someone takes an event or a thought and puts it into text... And then someone else re-translates that text back into thoughts and events. This approach at least partially negates that... I think. Maybe.