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The Potter's Field.

And Suzi.

And so, she keeps faith.

I have no idea if Suzi has a religion, but I think she'd appreciate the sentiment of the Catholic "Prayer For The Forgotten"

Receive our prayers, dear Lord,
For those who have none
To pray for them.
They departed this life
Without loved ones
To mourn their going...

So often, the gift we can best give to others, is the gift we most needed ourselves.

Dave wrote:And so, she keeps the faith.

I have no idea if Suzi has a religion, but I think she'd appreciate the sentiment of the Catholic "Prayer For The Forgotten"

Receive our prayers, dear Lord,
For those who have none
To pray for them.
They departed this life
Without loved ones
To mourn their going...

So often, the gift we can best give to others, is the gift we most needed ourselves.

Especially considering that being forgotten is part of the in-verse explanation for how vampires come about.

So as long as she keeps putting flowers on their graves until the corpses are decomposed they won't get vamped?

Gyrrakavian wrote:

Dave wrote:So often, the gift we can best give to others, is the gift we most needed ourselves.

Especially considering that being forgotten is part of the in-verse explanation for how vampires come about.

Exactly so. I think she is not doing this at all casually or by chance.

This is shaping up as quite a week of bootlegger mood-turns, isn't it? Paul has a lot of strings on that cello of his!

Opus the Poet wrote:So as long as she keeps putting flowers on their graves until the corpses are decomposed they won't get vamped?

Might be something like that. Might be more metaphysical... hold their memories bright, until their spirits/souls/whatever feel free to move on.

Bless you Suzi... for keeping the faith and for just being you...

No the reason she does this is to prevent others from becoming what she is. I wonder if the hierarchy of the Waspiverse is based on shear damage they are able to do. If so that would explain why vamps are so low of the totem pole. They are barely a threat to humans.

oldmanmickey wrote:No the reason she does this is to prevent others from becoming what she is. . . .

That may not be the only reason she does this.

--FreeFlier

You know, it's funny but I was just thinking about this the other day. There has to be some other "thing" that happens in the transformation of the dead into a vampire, other than being forgotten.

betting it was that dead girl that suzie drained in the bathtub so she wouldn't become a vampire

She put flowers on more than one grave.

--FreeFlier

FreeFlier wrote:She put flowers on more than one grave.

--FreeFlier

The 'Jane Doe' that Raventhorne mentioned was not Suzie's first... her conversation with the MIBs suggested this was a routine event.

I don't think being forgotten once you are already dead causes vampire genesis... If that were the case, there'd be a whole horde of vampires. They'd outnumber living humans by an order of magnitude.

I think it takes someone to die and already be alone and forgotten... Or maybe there's a time limit? Or a certain level of structural integrity the body must retain in order to rise again? I mean, Suzie drained the one Jane Doe, and that did the trick, right? Or was it her efforts to ensure she was remembered?

*shrug*

A wizard did it. Something tells me the mechanics behind vampirism aren't what's important here... It's the emotions.

Susie... Jeeze... It must be tough having the weight of the knowledge of all those unknown dead people on her mind all the time.

AmriloJim wrote:

FreeFlier wrote:She put flowers on more than one grave.

--FreeFlier

The 'Jane Doe' that Raventhorne mentioned was not Suzie's first... her conversation with the MIBs suggested this was a routine event.

Yup. Suzi seems to have chosen this as part of her mission in (un)life. She does what is necessary to keep other people from being transformed into the kind of creature that she is.

It's been implied that most other vampires are simply predators, and that other paras see and treat them as little more than sentient parasites. Suzi is definitely a predator, but she has chosen to be more than that.

By helping other "lonely and forgotten dead" to avoid their fate, she changes the meaning of her own fate. She seeks her own redemption by redeeming others.

GlytchMeister wrote:I don't think being forgotten once you are already dead causes vampire genesis... If that were the case, there'd be a whole horde of vampires. They'd outnumber living humans by an order of magnitude.

I think it takes someone to die and already be alone and forgotten... Or maybe there's a time limit? Or a certain level of structural integrity the body must retain in order to rise again? I mean, Suzie drained the one Jane Doe, and that did the trick, right? Or was it her efforts to ensure she was remembered?

*shrug*

A wizard did it. Something tells me the mechanics behind vampirism aren't what's important here... It's the emotions.

Susie... Jeeze... It must be tough having the weight of the knowledge of all those unknown dead people on her mind all the time.

I think it's the conditions at the time of death... that no one cared about you, that no one gave a damn whether you lived or died, that you were treated by the world as being a disposable piece of garbage both in life and in death. It's something like "the whole world considers you to be nothing but trash" that does it. And, apparently, having even a single stranger like Suzi come along, and care enough to treat you like an individual, and learn at least something about who you are and were, is enough to break the "spell" or whatever it is.

If draining Jane Doe was all it took, Suzi probably wouldn't have made such a point of talking to Jane as if she were still alive and a person... or pledging to use her blood to identify her and learn her name... or promise to buy her a headstone... or say that she would not be forgotten and discarded like garbage. In fact, just draining her blood and discarding her body to the morgue might simply have confirmed the "you, yourself, mean nothing" and made Jane more likely to rise as a vampire.

Lily and Suzi lost their families when they died. They were alone. Thanks to a miracle of Lanthian science, Lily now has at least some of her family back, and more.

Suzi is making a new family for herself, in a way.

There was a scene where Jet's Guidance told Jet that Vampires are guardians or law enforcement, and werewolves are usually artsy types.

It was on a roof.

Uh.

Anyone wanna do the archive spelunk for that?

GlytchMeister wrote:There was a scene where Jet's Guidance told Jet that Vampires are guardians or law enforcement, and werewolves are usually artsy types.

It was on a roof.

Uh.

Anyone wanna do the archive spelunk for that?

Side By Side

Damn, that was fast.

GlytchMeister wrote:Damn, that was fast.

You speak to the keeper of the Omnibus, mon frere.

All it takes for me (basically) is one line of dialogue and I can pretty much narrow down the date to a certain week.

Dave wrote:

GlytchMeister wrote:I don't think being forgotten once you are already dead causes vampire genesis... If that were the case, there'd be a whole horde of vampires. They'd outnumber living humans by an order of magnitude.

I think it takes someone to die and already be alone and forgotten... Or maybe there's a time limit? Or a certain level of structural integrity the body must retain in order to rise again? I mean, Suzie drained the one Jane Doe, and that did the trick, right? Or was it her efforts to ensure she was remembered?

I think it's the conditions at the time of death... that no one cared about you, that no one gave a damn whether you lived or died, that you were treated by the world as being a disposable piece of garbage both in life and in death. It's something like "the whole world considers you to be nothing but trash" that does it. And, apparently, having even a single stranger like Suzi come along, and care enough to treat you like an individual, and learn at least something about who you are and were, is enough to break the "spell" or whatever it is.

Yeah - given Lily's description of her own death.

It sounds to me as if Suzi has something(s) in her backstory she's atoning for.

{BTW - have we ever been told how old Suzi is? And why is she so much stronger than a MUCH older vampire like Lily?}

Strength is apparently due to time since being deceased. She's a "younger" vampire - estimates currently suggest she's only been vamped for about a few centuries, as opposed to Lily's millennia.