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Ja, I can see someone hyperventilating after that. I'd probably be having a full blown panic attack if I were in Arrowette's shoes.AnotherFairportfan wrote:Heh.
In an early issue of Peter David's Young Justice comic (VERY different from the teevee series of the same name), the Justice League are debating whether to shut down Young Justice (an ad hoc group consisting of Robin, Impulse, the clone Superboy, Wonder Girl, the vapor girl Secret and Arrowette - average age about fifteen) and Arrowette (who's thirteen, i think) gets wound up, stands there with her hands on her (minimal) hips, and tells Superman and Wonder Woman (among others) off to their faces and then storms out.
WG (who has not gotten along with Arrowette to this point) goes after her to congratulate her, and finds Arrowette sitting in a concealed corner, with a brown paper bag, trying to bring her hyperventilation under control...
You can see the relevant pages here and here
I'm pretty sure most teens feel the same way... all alone in their world, no friends, no one likes me... but they fail to see one of the world's greatest truths...eee wrote:Aha. Devyn has social anxieties, perhaps even mild agoraphobia. Suddenly her depression and the darkness of her 'inner world' make a lot more sense.
Depression feeds isolation, and isolation feeds depression. It can be hard to break out of the cycle and see the light.DilyV wrote:I'm pretty sure most teens feel the same way... all alone in their world, no friends, no one likes me... but they fail to see one of the world's greatest truths...eee wrote:Aha. Devyn has social anxieties, perhaps even mild agoraphobia. Suddenly her depression and the darkness of her 'inner world' make a lot more sense.
you always have more friends than you think you do. Always.
I am reminded of something I heard about one of the early debates in the British parliament about whether to allow some large group of people (not women - earlier than that) to vote in Parliamentary elections. One of the most conservative members, considered a certain vote against the measure, gained the floor and said something to the effect of "If we don't give them the vote, how do we propose to stop them from taking it?" (Shortly thereafter, the measure passed.)AnotherFairportfan wrote:Heh.
In an early issue of Peter David's Young Justice comic (VERY different from the teevee series of the same name), the Justice League are debating whether to shut down Young Justice (an ad hoc group consisting of Robin, Impulse, the clone Superboy, Wonder Girl, the vapor girl Secret and Arrowette - average age about fifteen)
...damn, but I love the Okanogan Valley... mighty fine people here, good neighbors, good friends and good living. Yes, there's a reasonable level of 'angst' here, but NOTHING like what you see in a megalopolise. I am from Campbell, a very short drive from Palo Alto. I knew it before it was 'Silicon Valley'. It used to be Eden- now it's more like the Korean DMZ.Dave wrote:Depression feeds isolation, and isolation feeds depression. It can be hard to break out of the cycle and see the light.DilyV wrote:I'm pretty sure most teens feel the same way... all alone in their world, no friends, no one likes me... but they fail to see one of the world's greatest truths...eee wrote:Aha. Devyn has social anxieties, perhaps even mild agoraphobia. Suddenly her depression and the darkness of her 'inner world' make a lot more sense.
you always have more friends than you think you do. Always.
And, yeah, it's common. Even for the popular kids, there's often this dreadful sense of insecurity... would they still hang around with me if they knew what I'm really like? I could lose it all so easily. I'm such a phony. I'm scared.
Not so different for adults, either. The joke around here is that it's tough to live in Palo Alto... not just because it's expensive (and it is) but because everyone there is secretly afraid that they'll be told they aren't successful enough to live there and that they'll have to leave.
Buffy - [to Jonathan] “My life happens on occasion to suck beyond the telling of it. Sometimes more than I can handle. And it’s not just mine. Every single person down there is ignoring your pain because they’re too busy with their own. The beautiful ones. The popular ones. The guys that pick on you. Everyone. If you could hear what they were feeling. The loneliness. The confusion. It looks quiet down there. It’s not. It’s deafening.”
Imposter syndrome.Dave wrote:Not so different for adults, either. The joke around here is that it's tough to live in Palo Alto... not just because it's expensive (and it is) but because everyone there is secretly afraid that they'll be told they aren't successful enough to live there and that they'll have to leave.
That sounds like the era of the Chartist Movement in the mid-1800s. Quite an important period in the development of universal political representation.Warrl wrote:I am reminded of something I heard about one of the early debates in the British parliament about whether to allow some large group of people (not women - earlier than that) to vote in Parliamentary elections. One of the most conservative members, considered a certain vote against the measure, gained the floor and said something to the effect of "If we don't give them the vote, how do we propose to stop them from taking it?" (Shortly thereafter, the measure passed.)
Yup.Warrl wrote:Thing is... when one considers how many apparently-prosperous people are going a little deeper into debt every year in order to maintain that appearance of prosperity... in an important sense they ARE faking it, AREN'T successful enough, and face a serious risk of eventually having to leave that appearance behind them.
Ujntil i hunted up thise pages to post, i had forgotten Green Lantern saying mildly "Rebuttal, guys?"Gyrrakavian wrote:Ja, I can see someone hyperventilating after that. I'd probably be having a full blown panic attack if I were in Arrowette's shoes.AnotherFairportfan wrote:Heh.
In an early issue of Peter David's Young Justice comic (VERY different from the teevee series of the same name), the Justice League are debating whether to shut down Young Justice (an ad hoc group consisting of Robin, Impulse, the clone Superboy, Wonder Girl, the vapor girl Secret and Arrowette - average age about fifteen) and Arrowette (who's thirteen, i think) gets wound up, stands there with her hands on her (minimal) hips, and tells Superman and Wonder Woman (among others) off to their faces and then storms out.
WG (who has not gotten along with Arrowette to this point) goes after her to congratulate her, and finds Arrowette sitting in a concealed corner, with a brown paper bag, trying to bring her hyperventilation under control...
You can see the relevant pages here and here
According to Wikipedia, the Chartist movement died without visible accomplishment. Nearly 20 years later, the Reform Act of 1867 granted the vote to most employed men (previously only land-owners could vote). That's probably the context of the incident I was describing, although Wikipedia doesn't mention it.Dave wrote:That sounds like the era of the Chartist Movement in the mid-1800s. Quite an important period in the development of universal political representation.Warrl wrote:I am reminded of something I heard about one of the early debates in the British parliament about whether to allow some large group of people (not women - earlier than that) to vote in Parliamentary elections. One of the most conservative members, considered a certain vote against the measure, gained the floor and said something to the effect of "If we don't give them the vote, how do we propose to stop them from taking it?" (Shortly thereafter, the measure passed.)
Not directly, no - there was so much opposition (and outright political corruption) that the Movement's demands and petitions were ignored or rejected. However, it seems to have laid the groundwork for the eventual adoption of most of the movement's demands, as the ideas percolated through the political system.Warrl wrote:According to Wikipedia, the Chartist movement died without visible accomplishment. Nearly 20 years later, the Reform Act of 1867 granted the vote to most employed men (previously only land-owners could vote). That's probably the context of the incident I was describing, although Wikipedia doesn't mention it.
Good to know.AnotherFairportfan wrote:It may be like "I disagree with what you say, but...", which is NOTY a quote from Voltaire, instead originating when a later writer (whose name i have forgotten) said "As Voltaire might have said, 'I disagree...'."
