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Re: Chalk This Up 2016-01-26

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:12 pm
by Jabberwonky
IIRC, Paul confirmed that the teleport was done through accessing the Akashic Record and 'rewritings where you are, bypassing all the tricky math. Which would be good for a higher calculus dummy like me.

And, do any of the Old Time Religions consider butterflies psychopomps?

Have to do some research after work tonight...

Re: Chalk This Up 2016-01-26

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:51 pm
by AnotherFairportfan
Dave wrote:
AnotherFairportfan wrote:Hmmm. "Intrinsic velocity vector". Monica has a built-in Bergenholm?
I hoped somebody would catch the reference :D
Uh, my dad had the Fantasy Press signed and numbered sets of the "Lensman" and "Skylark" books. Well, except for the first "Skylark" - he had the real first edition of that. I'd read all of them by the time i was fourteen or so.
I don't think it's like a Bergenholm, in that Monica and her carry-alongs don't start puking their guts out from lack of inertia when they arrive.

Actually, it's a bit more like the momentum compensation system in Larry Niven's Known Space stories. If you use a transfer booth (or transfer discs), the system has to have a way of providing/absorbing/shifting your momentum so that you're "at rest" with respect to the location you arrive, rather than being in your new location but "at rest" with respect to your starting location.

That's exactly what I was thinking of.

If you teleport from west to east, your original momentum vector would tend to fling you up into the air. If you 'port from east to west, your original momentum vector would tend to slam you down into the ground.

"Doc" Smith dealt with a somewhat similar issue, in "Skylark Three", when Richard Seaton developed a "zone of force" which had the effect of isolating the user from all outside forces, including gravity. Turn it off, and you'd continue to move in a straight line, while the Earth rotated away from under you (and also moved away from you in its circular orbit around the sun). From the point of view of an observer on the ground, you'd fly off into the air at an ever-increasing velocity.
Did you ever encounter the "McGill Feighan" books? Feighan is a "flinger" - he can "fling" (it's not exactly teleportation) things instantaneously, even over interstellar distances. The author's handwavium includes a separate universe or dimension or something, from which or to which the flinger can channel kinetic energy to adjust momentum.

At one point, when he's on the run, Feighan realises that setting a ball bearing on his hand and pumping kinetic energy into it is a hell of a weapon.

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Can't believe i remembered how to spell that.

Re: Chalk This Up 2016-01-26

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:00 pm
by FreeFlier
AnotherFairportfan wrote: . . . Did you ever encounter the "McGill Feighan" books? Feighan is a "flinger" - he can "fling" (it's not exactly teleportation) things instantaneously, even over interstellar distances. The author's handwavium includes a separate universe or dimension or something, from which or to which the flinger can channel kinetic energy to adjust momentum.

At one point, when he's on the run, Feighan realises that setting a ball bearing on his hand and pumping kinetic energy into it is a hell of a weapon. . . .
The cover looks familiar, and the story line sounds familiar . . . I probably have a copy in storage.

Need to get all of those books back out of storage, but I need many more bookcases first . . . and may need to reinforce the floor . . .

--FreeFlier

Re: Chalk This Up 2016-01-26

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:56 am
by scantrontb
Jabberwonky wrote:IIRC, Paul confirmed that the teleport was done through accessing the Akashic Record and 'rewritings where you are, bypassing all the tricky math. Which would be good for a higher calculus dummy like me.

And, do any of the Old Time Religions consider butterflies psychopomps?

Have to do some research after work tonight...
i THINK that possibly there is/was an Aztec?/Olmec? tradition that if a child passes on, their soul becomes a butterfly in this world until they are ready to be born again (or something like that.)

the only reason i THINK i know about this, is that i read a book a few months back, that has the bad guy (some Nazi that had escaped from Justice for a LOOOOONG time) as part of running the extermination camps, killing a huge amount of Jewish kids, and for him to finally get his comeuppance, (if i remember correctly the bad guy could only be killed in a certain way... one that involved the souls of those kids...) they somehow found out about, and got the attention of the kids, when they arrived to do the deed, they arrived as a huge flock of Monarch Butterflies...

i really wish i could remember what the book was though, as it was really good in a PNR kind of way...

Re: Chalk This Up 2016-01-26

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:09 am
by Jabberwonky
A preliminary finding:
From http://www.madelinemiller.com/greek-etymologies-ii/
Psychopomp/Psychopompos. This word doesn’t get very much airtime nowadays, but I think it should. A psychopomp is a being whose job it is to guide the souls of the dead to the afterlife, and in ancient Greece this was the messenger god Hermes, whose epithet was Psychopompos. It comes from the Greek word psyche, meaning soul, which has found its way into English in all sorts of compounds, including psychiatrist—a word which literally means “soul doctor” (iatros is Greek for doctor). In a lovely bit of metaphor, psyche is also the Greek word for butterfly.
The pomp- part comes from the Greek for escort, or guide, and can refer to either a single escort, or an entire cohort, making it the root of our “pomp” in pomp and circumstance. So, psychopomp literally means soul-guide. By the way, this word frequently provokes hilarity among my Greek students: “Dude, that guy was psycho pompous!”

Re: Chalk This Up 2016-01-26

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:48 am
by Warrl
Jabberwonky wrote:A preliminary finding:
From http://www.madelinemiller.com/greek-etymologies-ii/
Psychopomp/Psychopompos. This word doesn’t get very much airtime nowadays, but I think it should. A psychopomp is a being whose job it is to guide the souls of the dead to the afterlife, and in ancient Greece this was the messenger god Hermes, whose epithet was Psychopompos. It comes from the Greek word psyche, meaning soul, which has found its way into English in all sorts of compounds, including psychiatrist—a word which literally means “soul doctor” (iatros is Greek for doctor). In a lovely bit of metaphor, psyche is also the Greek word for butterfly.
The pomp- part comes from the Greek for escort, or guide, and can refer to either a single escort, or an entire cohort, making it the root of our “pomp” in pomp and circumstance. So, psychopomp literally means soul-guide. By the way, this word frequently provokes hilarity among my Greek students: “Dude, that guy was psycho pompous!”
Psychopomps are sort of a secondary theme of Gunnerkrigg Court, which also has some of the best art of all the webcomics I read. In fact at least one of the main characters is technically a psychopomp.

Re: Chalk This Up 2016-01-26

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:38 pm
by AnotherFairportfan
Warrl wrote:
Jabberwonky wrote:A preliminary finding:
From http://www.madelinemiller.com/greek-etymologies-ii/
Psychopomp/Psychopompos. This word doesn’t get very much airtime nowadays, but I think it should. A psychopomp is a being whose job it is to guide the souls of the dead to the afterlife, and in ancient Greece this was the messenger god Hermes, whose epithet was Psychopompos. It comes from the Greek word psyche, meaning soul, which has found its way into English in all sorts of compounds, including psychiatrist—a word which literally means “soul doctor” (iatros is Greek for doctor). In a lovely bit of metaphor, psyche is also the Greek word for butterfly.
The pomp- part comes from the Greek for escort, or guide, and can refer to either a single escort, or an entire cohort, making it the root of our “pomp” in pomp and circumstance. So, psychopomp literally means soul-guide. By the way, this word frequently provokes hilarity among my Greek students: “Dude, that guy was psycho pompous!”
Psychopomps are sort of a secondary theme of Gunnerkrigg Court, which also has some of the best art of all the webcomics I read. In fact at least one of the main characters is technically a psychopomp.
I was gonna mention that.

Re: Chalk This Up 2016-01-26

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:42 pm
by jwhouk
You mean THE main character (Antimony).

Re: Chalk This Up 2016-01-26

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:50 pm
by Warrl
jwhouk wrote:You mean THE main character (Antimony).
I was being deliberately vague to avoid spoilers and to leave possibilities open for the future.