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As someone who still feels like kicking himself at the missed opportunities identified in retrospect I fully give Atsali the benefit of the doubt that she really was clueless to Nadette's true feelings. Damn, I need to hurry up and build that time machine...

Opus the Poet wrote:So Atsali is oblivious to Nadette's amorous intentions, and there is a boy on the phone. Ready for round 2?

Willing to wager Moxanna points that it's Jacob calling to cancel.

Thanks for the cookie.

I bet when they get around to talking to Nadette she's going say something along the line of:

Yes, I looked into the future. The augury said If I gave her the necklace I'd "Get to know her better".
That wasn't what I had in mind!

Katherine has shown remarkable wisdom with both of these children- an insane task with normal humans that are not your own flesh and blood, leave alone supernaturals. That she has had parenting class would seem only logical (assuming one knew them to be available) - yet we need to remember this is the lady who took her beta fish to the beach in a fishbowl after a long period of reclusive existence.

Pickle's getting good at her shape-shifting.

Qivittoq89 wrote:"Be careful with her." Be careful with her how? Like in the "She's taking advantage of our friendship" be careful or the "You're blind to what she's feeling, don't hurt her" be careful? Aargh, my head hurts...

I suspect this refers to how Sali perceives attraction. Sirens and incubi generally do not perceive affection at all, they expect it subconsciously. Both attract the opposite sex with great ease and it is their nature to do so. To them having others attracted to them is normal so they don't even think about it, or that their reaction to it could hurt others. It is like being tall. You are used to other people looking at you in a certain way and don't even think about how others feel about it. I'm 6'3" and when in a store I have often unthinkingly helped shorter people get an item down off a top shelf. I didn't even ask if they want the help I just take it down and hand it to them. Then walked away. To me I'm just being helpful, but to some of the others they resent what I've done. I've had people snap at me for doing that because they thought I was putting them down by thinking they could not get that item themselves. That is what Kathy means by being careful. You have to pay attention to other people and try and read how they are really feeling and how your actions will impact them. Took me years to learn to always ask if they want help. Many do and accept it, others just give me a short NO and I just walk away.

PLEASE watch this, it explains why 'seers' have problems with '**possible**' futures...

Qivittoq89 wrote:"Be careful with her." Be careful with her how? Like in the "She's taking advantage of our friendship" be careful or the "You're blind to what she's feeling, don't hurt her" be careful? Aargh, my head hurts...

I'd wager a little from Column A, and a little from Column B. I also wonder just how much Katherine has been told, because to be honest it's hard to believe a parent(whom hasn't had... eons of time to learn control like Lily) wouldn't flip out when told their baby girl had every inch of her body squeezed by her shapeshifting friend while unclothed.


Also that better not be a call from Jacob asking to cancel, we deserve to see the most awkward date ever drawn!

Yeah, it's that whole "infinite possibilities" thing. It could drive a good girl batty.

Qivittoq89 wrote:"Be careful with her." Be careful with her how? Like in the "She's taking advantage of our friendship" be careful or the "You're blind to what she's feeling, don't hurt her" be careful? Aargh, my head hurts...

<Kosh> Yes.

Truth is a three-edged sword. </Kosh>

Or, as Lily said, "It's much more complicated...".

As others have pointed out, the situation is developing a fractal level of complexity. That's quite common when you have a plot which involves a strange attractor. No matter how close you are when you enter, you'll find yourselves arbitrarily far apart some time later. And, no matter how distant you are when you start, you'll find yourselves being intimate companions for a while at some later time.

Sounds like a good description of a teen siren's love life to me? Especially the bit about bifurcations.

Ask DNA indeed!
Sounds like she got a double whammy in that regard.

oldmanmickey wrote:This is starting to sound like a soap opera, "as the stomach turns"

And -- what about Naomi?

So... it turns out she really is that clueless... and it's genetic, to boot!

I think it's nice that Katherine was able to take a parenting class, with focus on the species of kids she was adopting. I wouldn't be surprised if that class was sponsored by MIB. Although it could also be part of the adoption process, and therefore sponsored by the orphanage itself. Either way, nice touch.

The class thing, by the way, supports the longer time frame.

I think it is a very strong possibility that the orphanage and MIB are part of the same system to hide the paras from the norms. Can't have homeless para children mixing uneducated with the norms without getting something like Batboy from Weekly World News, except everywhere. I mean can you imagine something like Castela getting plopped down in downtown Chicago untrained in how to blend in?

Sgt. Howard wrote:

GlytchMeister wrote:Somebody mentioned that sirens can shrug off romantic affection or that Atsali was doing so partly due to her siren nature. I can't remember who, but they get a cookie.

Ugh. This is a bad time for stuff to be added in. I already mentioned this issue was like staring too closely at a fractal. Adding more elements to the story will just make the thing into a three-dimensional fractal.

... fractals AREN'T three dimensional...?

Some are, some aren't. If memory serves M.C. Escher played dabled in fractals a few times.

Also, some quilt patterns are fractals.

Akeche wrote:

Qivittoq89 wrote:"Be careful with her." Be careful with her how? Like in the "She's taking advantage of our friendship" be careful or the "You're blind to what she's feeling, don't hurt her" be careful? Aargh, my head hurts...

I'd wager a little from Column A, and a little from Column B. I also wonder just how much Katherine has been told, because to be honest it's hard to believe a parent(whom hasn't had... eons of time to learn control like Lily) wouldn't flip out when told their baby girl had every inch of her body squeezed by her shapeshifting friend while unclothed.


Also that better not be a call from Jacob asking to cancel, we deserve to see the most awkward date ever drawn!

At what point does Kath's motherly instincts begin to smother Atsali's life experiences? She's a siren its been made painfully obvious that Atsali doesn't like the stigma attached to that, but she's still a siren/incubus (succubus [she's female]) hybrid. She's going to have to learn to use her siren skills... To expect her to ignore eons of hard wired evolutionary instinct isn't really an option. She will need to learn how to survive without attracting attention her heritage.

"Be careful with her" - what might be just a little bit of fun with no commitment or emotional baggage to a siren/incubus could well be devastating hurt to an ursamorph in love.

jwhouk wrote:

GlytchMeister wrote:Somebody mentioned that sirens can shrug off romantic affection or that Atsali was doing so partly due to her siren nature. I can't remember who, but they get a cookie.

Ugh. This is a bad time for stuff to be added in. I already mentioned this issue was like staring too closely at a fractal. Adding more elements to the story will just make the thing into a three-dimentional fractal.

Kid, haven't you seen the Omnibus? This is like storyline #279!

1) Monica tutoring Cricket.
---Subplot: Dietzal was shrunken.
2) The Gilcrest girls
--Subplot: Atsali's social life.
---Overarching subsubplot: Nadette has a crush on Atsali.
---Subsubplot 1) Atsali dating.
---Subsubplot 2) Atsali and Nadette go on an adventure

You're welcome. ^_^

Opus the Poet wrote:I think it is a very strong possibility that the orphanage and MIB are part of the same system to hide the paras from the norms.

I recall a conversation between two of the adults, sometime in the past year or so, to the effect that MIB has only recently started taking an active role in helping guide and protect the younger paranormals. Can't recall just when this discussion took place or who the conversation involved (Jin and either Bud or Monica?)

So, the parenting classes might be a fairly recent addition to MIB's work (along with e.g. the "mall visit" supervisions).