Thor wrote:Akeche wrote:Thor wrote:I'd personally like to thank Nadette for revealing Chekov's Torpedo as the Good Doomed Ship S.S. Jacsali slips out of dry dock into stormy waters.
I'm quite pleased.
EDIT: This also helps explain how Nadette could act so carefree and nonchalant about setting up her crush with Goatsy the Barista.
Jesus I seriously don't know what's wrong with you man xP. You're also celebrating a bit too early here. Let's put a young Monica in Atsali's shoes with Nadette as a friend instead. Young teen M is given the nerves to ask young teen Kevin out. Nadette sees it won't last... But it
lasts ten years.
I'm celebrating being proven to be partially right. Given that so many people were saying that I was utterly wrong, is it horrible that I might be feeling a tiny bit vindicated?
Given that, so far, Paul has never (that I recall) written any throw-away character, I think it is much too early to celebrate anything... And like Akeche wrote, it took ten years (our time) before Kevin was dumped by Monica... Sure, it looked like it would be a successful relationship, while we do have hints that this one won't last (though the hints come from another character, seer though she be), if you look strictly at Atsali and Jacob, there is no reason to think that the relationship won't last. Besides, even if they do eventually break up, we will have to have had time to see the relationship build up and flourish for a while (I doubt it would be so dysfunctional as to not even flourish, at first), before we see cracks appear. Give it time. You may be served, in the end, but it will take a while before that happens. Just let the story flow, and don't be such a downer...
Thor wrote:lake_wrangler wrote:I may be wrong, here, but I seem to recall Thor going into detail as to how he saw it as a bad thing to have more male characters into this story... I get the feeling that he is projecting that attitude about the comic in general towards Jacob in particular, before we have enough data to know how we should feel about him.
You remember this, but you don't recall me making an exhaustive list of the male characters of this comic and listing their positive attributes? Why so selective?
A) I recall the list being made, though I didn't recall it being made by you. However, B) that still doesn't take away from the fact that you still didn't think there was a need for more male characters
In other words, it has nothing to do with selective memory. I was not saying you are unable to see any good in any male character in Wapsi Square (and you've just proven you can, by reminding me that the list of positive attributes in previous and current male characters was yours), nor was I trying to imply such. I was merely pointing out that your current negative feelings and attitude towards Jacob seems rather strong, for a character that was introduced so recently (i.e. we have not had time to see much of what he's like), that it would seem logical to the observer to think that such a negative attitude would come, rather, from your previously expressed opinion of not needing other male characters around. I can see someone being "unimpressed" with Jacob so far, seeing as we have not seen anything to make him really shine, or anything, but neither have we yet seen anything worthy of such doom and gloom pronouncements, or such a negative attitude towards him in general.
Thor wrote:lake_wrangler wrote:Frankly, it is indeed starting to get annoying. It seems to me that it's going beyond simply defending an unpopular opinion (he was complaining, earlier, that people were coming down on him because he didn't like a character that most other forum members seemed to either like or at least not pass judgement on until more data was available). I also recall him saying that if pushed, he usually tends to double down... looks to me like he's quadrupling down, at the very least...
What is it about my opinions that, to you, justifies you making personal attacks on me? Can we not just restrict ourselves to talking about the characters and the comic, and not descend into taking pot-shots at each other? I'm really not asking for more than basic civility.
Actually, I believe I am quite civil. In all that I have written, never have I implied anything derogatory about you as a person, or your attributes, such as your intelligence, or anything else.
It's just like when Atsali says to someone "you said the 'F' word"... is she calling them bad? NO. She is merely pointing out something about their current behavior (in her case, their speech), that may not be appropriate. In the same manner, I am pointing out that your attitude towards Jacob seems to go beyond what is called for given the current information available about him, wondering about the motives behind it, and expressing the fact that expressing negativity to that extent is becoming annoying to read. If that feels like a personal attack, I'm sorry. That certainly was not my intent. But really, calling him "Goatsy the Barista" does not seem very civil (the name does sound like that shock website with a similar name, whether you intended it that way or not - please note I have no idea what is exactly on that similarly named website, but I only heard poor things about it...), and rejoicing over the impending doomed relationship just seems a little too much, too soon. Pointing that out should not be seen as a personal attack.
Yes, we are talking about the characters in a comic, yes, people will have differing opinions and feelings about it. But there are ways of expressing those opinions without taking it too far. Sure,
if Atsali and Jacob
ever crash and burn
spectacularly, you would be right to say 'I told you so', then (though not now, it's too soon to tell). But on the other hand, if the relationship slowly builds up, and eventually falls apart in an organic manner, please don't rub our noses in it. We can live with differing opinions. It's the level of intensity with which you are expressing that differing opinion, which is annoying.
In other words, chill out. Relax, read the story and wait and see where it's going. You've already made it clear you don't like him, and you don't think they should get together. But that does not mean you should be dancing in the streets at the slightest hint that their romance might not be as idyllic as some would like it to be... And in the meantime, there is no reason to denigrate any character in the comic that has not been obviously written to be an antagonist (please refer to comment about 'Goatsy the Barista, above). (And even then, it would probably still be impolite to do so...)
Peace.
