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Sidhekin wrote:

zachariah wrote:Had a thought about helping Jet. Monica can speak to the dead. It's possible she will bring up Jet's parents to comfort Jet and absolve her of some of her guilt that this happened. The 12 year old Jet memory will probably listen to them more than anyone else. She might also vent on her parents for abandoning her and Jill. This would provide a way to easy the internal distress Jet is going through.

And if the "man" was her father, as some seem to suspect? Oh my ...

One of my old favourites, The Tale of One Bad Rat, emphasised the need to confront the abuser. That tends to be difficult if the abuser is dead. Monica could perhaps provide. If it would ease Jet's distress, I'm less certain ...

It was not her father. The man died where Jet was. When she got back to her seat her parents were dead and Jill badly injured. So it was not her father. While Monica could call the man up she does not know who it is.She might be able to but I suspect the real culprit was the TAR. I really like the idea that the TAR was in the rapist and transferred to Jet when his host died.

TheOtherOne wrote:Except maybe for the tar thing, I don't see why jag girl needs to be involved in all this. I mean, what's going on now is nothing that would not be going on in ordinary psychotherapy.

Monica is performing Triage Therapy. Jet just had that 15-year-old scab ripped off of her surgically by M, so M has to be there to provide healing.

Right now, what Monica is doing will be more helpful than years of therapy (some of which Jet may have already been subjected to, especially after the plane crash).

Yamara wrote:

jwhouk wrote:Say, do you wonder now what note Jill was putting in the little Elf House on Lake Calhoun all those years ago?

Oh yeah.

In case you're wondering what we're talking about:
http://wapsisquare.com/comic/thatlingeriemodel/
http://wapsisquare.com/comic/thatkindofmagic/

Once Moni gets Georgette into a stable place to stand, she'll have to more or less reconstruct the origin incident bit by bit. First to help Georgette understand that the crash was out of her hands. Next, to determine both who raped her, and the actual creation/transfer of TAR in that situation. Jaguar Girl just needs to put on her Horatio Caine Sunglasses Of Justice, and forensic the ever-loving hell out of this piece.

jwhouk wrote:

TheOtherOne wrote:Except maybe for the tar thing, I don't see why jag girl needs to be involved in all this. I mean, what's going on now is nothing that would not be going on in ordinary psychotherapy.

Monica is performing Triage Therapy. Jet just had that 15-year-old scab ripped off of her surgically by M, so M has to be there to provide healing.

Right now, what Monica is doing will be more helpful than years of therapy (some of which Jet may have already been subjected to, especially after the plane crash).

Tina did her share of (involuntary) scab-ripping, too.

The fact that Georgette melted down so spectacularly when Tina read out her past, suggests that Jet hadn't ever really come to terms with whatever had occurred. If she was in therapy after the accident, it doesn't seem to have helped her all that much.

kingklash wrote:Once Moni gets Georgette into a stable place to stand, she'll have to more or less reconstruct the origin incident bit by bit. First to help Georgette understand that the crash was out of her hands. Next, to determine both who raped her, and the actual creation/transfer of TAR in that situation. Jaguar Girl just needs to put on her Horatio Caine Sunglasses Of Justice, and forensic the ever-loving hell out of this piece.

Yeah, there's a lot going on (now and in the past) that we and Monica don't know, and which Georgette may not have interpreted or understood very well (in an objective sense).

TheDOCTOR wrote:After this is over, do you suppose Monica goes BACK To SCHOOL to take some Psych. courses to become more prepared in the future?

I'd think offhand that the Biblioteka might be better--they have the ability to explore souls and spirits more "materially" and might have the advantage of better source materials.

Dave wrote: The fact that Georgette melted down so spectacularly when Tina read out her past, suggests that Jet hadn't ever really come to terms with whatever had occurred. If she was in therapy after the accident, it doesn't seem to have helped her all that much.

Jet never told anyone about the rape so the therapy was about the crash only. I am betting that Jet had suppressed the memory of the attack so deeply that it became the Tar and since she refused to face it, it festered in her. Therapy can't work in a vacuum after all.

Tar was described by Monica as "human-created evil". That means that the evil done by the rapist festered inside the demon-infested Georgette - and grew as she had self-hatred and anger at herself over being raped - and surviving the crash.

I do wonder where the plane crash was, by the way.

Paul was totally right when he said that he had a difficult story to tell - and that it would not be nice. This isn't a la-la story in your average everyday comic but a story of life - and all that happens in it. Combine having to portray the protagonists - without resorting to tricks - and tie it into a story line - not easy.

It's going to be an interesting few weeks - I recommend strong coffee - and the occasional two fingers of the beverage of your choice.

zachariah wrote:I really like the idea that the TAR was in the rapist and transferred to Jet when his host died.

That kind of thing would not be unheard of. Remember Jack the Ripper, in the one episode of Star Trek: TOS?

lake_wrangler wrote:

zachariah wrote:I really like the idea that the TAR was in the rapist and transferred to Jet when his host died.

That kind of thing would not be unheard of. Remember Jack the Ripper, in the one episode of Star Trek: TOS?

Something similar happened in the Stephen King novella, "The Library Policeman."

jwhouk wrote:Tar was described by Monica as "human-created evil".

Sure you're not misremembering? Because I don't remember that.

I remember Monica describing its actions as sounding like "human evil". Which is not quite the same.

If the Tar's was a human evil ... might it not be that the Tar was human?

lake_wrangler wrote:

zachariah wrote:I really like the idea that the TAR was in the rapist and transferred to Jet when his host died.

That kind of thing would not be unheard of. Remember Jack the Ripper, in the one episode of Star Trek: TOS?

Written by Robert Bloch, and sort of an extension of his story "Yours Truly, Jack the Ripper":

Wikipedia wrote:The story was Bloch's take on the Jack the Ripper legend, and was filled out with more genuine factual details of the case than many other fictional treatments.[14] It cast the Ripper as an eternal being who must make human sacrifices to extend his immortality. It was adapted for both radio (in Stay Tuned for Terror) and television (as an episode of Thriller in 1961 adapted by Barré Lyndon).

Sidhekin wrote:

jwhouk wrote:Tar was described by Monica as "human-created evil".

Sure you're not misremembering? Because I don't remember that.

I remember Monica describing its actions as sounding like "human evil". Which is not quite the same.

If the Tar's was a human evil ... might it not be that the Tar was human?

That may be it. It was created by a human.

Um, perhaps I was unclear. I don't remember anything (other than fan theories) about the Tar being "created". Did I miss something?

It had to come from somewhere.

And if it wasn't an original part of Jet (which seems unlikely) it came from outside or was created inside her by some event ... either way, it had a "creation" somewhere.

jwhouk wrote:

Sidhekin wrote:

jwhouk wrote:Tar was described by Monica as "human-created evil".

Sure you're not misremembering? Because I don't remember that.

I remember Monica describing its actions as sounding like "human evil". Which is not quite the same.

If the Tar's was a human evil ... might it not be that the Tar was human?

That may be it. It was created by a human.

Sidhekin wrote:Um, perhaps I was unclear. I don't remember anything (other than fan theories) about the Tar being "created". Did I miss something?

Here's where M and Guidance reference that Tar is not a demon and Jet's demons don't know how it got into her C-Space: http://wapsisquare.com/comic/come-and-go/.
Here's where we have a little more confirmation that Tar is not a demon (though no real explanation of what it is instead): http://wapsisquare.com/comic/return-the-favor-2/
Here's where Monica says that Tar's behavior sounds like human evil: http://wapsisquare.com/comic/worst-fing-nightmare/.
And here's where Guidance says that the Tar is a "human issue" and is outside of Sphinxy jurisdiction: http://wapsisquare.com/comic/the-wrong-girl/

If I'm not mistaken, that's really all that has truly been stated about the Tar and what it is or is not. I think that the reason a lot of forumites have postulated that Tar was created by humans is because of how the word "human" has been used to describe its behavior and who gets to deal with it.

I, for one, am wavering between the theories that Tar was something inside the rapist that jumped over to Georgette when he died and that Tar was the result of Jet repressing and staying silent about her experience...and I'm leaning more towards the later.