March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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If you take the time to listen, you will notice that in spite of strong beliefs, his speech is actually quite nuanced at times.

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Not sure if this should go in the "Vote" thread or the COVID thread:
What the hell...
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lake_wrangler wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:37 pm Weekly death stats in Canada show COVID hasn't DEVASTATED the country
You're probably right (depending on your definition of devastation). It hasn't even decimated the country yet... I'm sure that more than 90% of your fellow Canadians are still alive.

However: weekly death stats show that COVID-19 was probably the leading single cause of death in the United States last week (up from "#3 for the year" which we've known for some time).
COVID-19 was ranked as the leading cause of death in the U.S. this week, with 11,820, according to the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. That's more than the number of Americans who died from ischemic heart disease (10,724), tracheal, bronchus and lung cancer (3,965), and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (3,766).

In the U.S., coronavirus cases have surpassed 14.3 million, and more than 278,500 deaths have been recorded, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University. A model often used by the White House said the death toll could hit half a million by March 1 if the current trend continues. That same model said if Americans wore masks for the next four months, it could save 66,000 lives.
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Hospitalizations are up sharply over the past month or so. In the hardest-hit areas of the country, the ICUs are full and hospitals are having trouble finding other hospitals to send their overflow patients to. Here in California, ICU space is low (less than 15% available in my county) and will run out in some areas in the next couple of weeks if current trends continue.

So, yes, this is indeed a public health emergency. To quote Brian Pallister, the premier of Manitoba, '‘If you don’t think Covid is real right now, you’re an idiot."
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AnotherFairportfan wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:39 pm Not sure if this should go in the "Vote" thread or the COVID thread:
What the hell...
And, quite regrettably, it seems possible that he may have exposed a large number of other people during the two or three days prior to his diagnosis. He is reported to have spent a good deal of time shmoozing, posing with admirers for photo ops, shaking hands, etc. without social distancing and often without wearing a mask.

Since people often seen to be the most contagious in the days before they develop symptoms, this is Not Good.
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That includes the entire Arizona state legislature’s GOP majority.
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Authorities with Taiwan’s Department of Health have fined a Filipino man who broke quarantine for 8 seconds $3,540 after his misdeed was caught on a hotel surveillance camera and reported to the agency.

According to Taiwan’s official Central News Agency (CNA), the man arrived in the southern port city of Kaohsiung last month. He temporarily broke Taiwan’s strict 14-day quarantine on Nov. 13, exiting his hotel room to leave something outside the door of a friend in quarantine down the hall in the same hotel.

Hotel workers reported the breach to the agency, which has asked staff to keep a close watch amid a spike in COVID-19 cases among new arrivals.

Taiwan’s no-nonsense COVID-19 response has very effectively kept the virus at bay, earning plaudits by employing lessons learned from the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) response in 2003.

“At the time Taiwan was hit very hard and then we started building up our capacity dealing with a pandemic like this,” Taiwan’s Foreign Minister Joseph Wu told CNN in September. “So, when we heard that there were some secret pneumonia cases in China where patients were treated in isolation, we knew it was something similar.”

So far, the island of roughly 23 million people has reported just 716 COVID-19 cases since the beginning of the pandemic, according to data tracked by Johns Hopkins University. That’s about 30 cases per million. By comparison, the United States has 14,846,645 cases, good for around 44,000 cases per million.
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Tell me again that this is not also about control...




These Christians were IN THEIR CARS, WITH THE WINDOWS CLOSED, LISTENING TO THE PASTOR ON THE RADIO! This surely was not a super-spreader... but the bullies of Manitoba still decided that the pastor and the church needed to be fined, for holding such a scandalous service... $1296 for the pastor, and $5000 for the church!

(And, of course, they waited until all the media outlet people were gone, after the service, to ticket the pastor, so as to keep a good appearance... Except that one member of the media didn't leave after all...)
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Everything is being done for the same reason a lot of things were done in Germany during the 1930s.

"Für euer Sicherheit!"

For your safety... though I'd rather be safe from government overreach.
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The 10,000+ people who found out they had COVID yesterday in my state don't really care about that.

Neither do the 5,000 people on average over this past week who died from COVID want to hear about it.

Nor do their loved ones, either.
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So you're saying that people in my state should have to put up with a federal level lock down because folks in more populous states can't figure out how to keep their distance from each other? You folks had more deaths from this pandemic than my state has had all year. Why should we be subjected to measures that result in lost jobs, bills not getting paid, and families not being fed? It isn't our fault.
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IIRC, the Federals cannot order a national lock down. That's firmly limited to State authorities, and that is also subject to lots of Constitutional limitations, State and Federal. Declaring a never-ending Emergency does not pass scrutiny.
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"promote the general welfare."
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Today, they used the emergency alert system, to send out a message to everyone's cell phones, reminding people living in "red" zones that gatherings are forbidden... :roll:
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Atomic wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:20 am IIRC, the Federals cannot order a national lock down. That's firmly limited to State authorities, and that is also subject to lots of Constitutional limitations, State and Federal. Declaring a never-ending Emergency does not pass scrutiny.
Biden's already said he wants to institute a three month lockdown.
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Meanwhile, back at the Science front -- is it real, or is it Memorex? (anybody remember that one?)

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You do realize that there are plenty of people who will say everything about that is incorrect because mainstream media (which really only exists to generate ad revenue) says otherwise?
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COVID-positive Rudy Giuliani called into another cringe-worthy “hearing” on election fraud claims on Thursday and managed to take his already-ludicrous conspiracy theory up another notch.

Speaking before Georgia State House Republicans, he claimed that a video of election officials counting ballots in Atlanta’s State Farm Arena not only showed them “stealing votes” but also passing out drugs.

Giuliani initially claimed last week that the “smoking gun” clip showed officials usher observers and reporters out of the room at 11 p.m. then pull out suitcases of stolen votes.

On Thursday, he added, “Look at that woman, look at her taking those ballots out, look at them scurrying around with the ballots, nobody in the room, hiding around, they look like they’re passing out dope not just ballots. It’s quite clear they’re stealing votes.”

He claimed “Big Tech, Big Media [and] crooked Democrats” were debunking the clip—but Republicans in Georgia have, too. Gabriel Sterling, a Republican and the state’s voting system implementation manager, gave a detailed explanation of the selectively edited 90-second clip, saying investigators from the Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger’s office found it showed normal ballot counting.

The ballots in the clips were in containers—not suitcases—and had already been removed from envelopes and verified for eventual scanning while witnesses were present. Observers were allowed to be there when the ballots were then retrieved for the scanning portion of the process, but they’d apparently followed a group of workers who left the room because their job of opening envelopes was done for the night.

Despite multiple state officials debunking the clips, Georgia Republicans were still happy to let Giuliani spew misinformation freely.

The tape “proves that anyone who says that fraud is debunked... is just plain blind or lying,” an excited Giuliani said. “You have, live from Atlanta, you’ve got voter fraud right in front of people’s eyes. Blatant, clear, obvious, you’d have to be a fool to ignore it.”

Giuliani, who previously admitted to a judge that he was not alleging widespread fraud, also claimed in his address to the Georgia lawmakers that he has “1,000 people on tape admitting fraud” and that people are now booted off YouTube “if you say the word fraud.”

He then said two Georgia election officials caught handing USB ports to each other were passing them around “like vials of heroin.”

In a Thursday afternoon briefing, Sterling excoriated Giuliani and the GOP lawmakers for indulging in “the repeatedly, and repeatedly, debunked video.”

“Giving oxygen to this continued disinformation is leading to a continuing erosion of people’s belief in our elections and our processes,” he said. “We have rules, we have laws.”

He said deluded people were making the video out to be an “Ocean’s Eleven-type scheme as opposed to what is obviously happening in the real world.”

“There’s just so much disinformation,” he added. “We have a shovel and we’re against an ocean. It’s an ocean that’s being perpetuated by the president of the United States and [his] legal teams.”

He debunked a laundry list of ridiculous claims: 10,000 felons didn’t vote (early investigations show it’s closer to 100), unregistered voters didn’t vote (it’s physically impossible to cast a vote if you’re not in the registration system), and 60,000 underage people didn’t vote (you can register as a 17-year-old if you’re going to be 18 by Election Day).

Five people working for the Trump campaign also dialed into the House hearing from a meeting room, and none were wearing masks despite a coronavirus outbreak within the legal team.

As another witness was talking, Giuliani forgot to mute his Zoom and was caught on a hot mic saying, “We should try to get this on Newsmax and OANN.”

Giuliani was released from the hospital on Thursday after being treated for the coronavirus.
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I... think you posted to the wrong thread...
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