March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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This is a great achievement of applied bioscience, but ANY other administration would have handled a pandemic better.
Well, let's take a look at that.

The Trump administration did a partial* shutdown of people coming to the US from China back in late January 2020 - and the Democrats criticized him, not for the "partial" (which would have made sense), but for the "shutdown".

The Trump administration strongly advised keeping COVID patients out of nursing homes. In at least two states with Democrat leadership, the response was to send COVID patients from hospitals to nursing homes.

The Trump administration also advised discouraging public gatherings. Democrat governors and mayors denounced that advice and responded with "party on!"

Then when things appeared to go on the proverbial journey by handbasket, Democrat governors and mayors started ordering the stuff the Trump administration had recommended - and condemned Trump for doing nothing, ignoring what he had done as well as the fact that up to that point they had done WORSE than nothing.

(And, meanwhile, in their own lives, continued - and some still continue - to "party on". Frequently in violation of the shutdowns they've decreed for everyone else. Of course, Trump also violated his administration's recommended guidelines a few times.)

So I think we can safely identify a whole group of potential administrations that likely would have done LESS well than the Trump administration: anything with a Democrat at the top.

(Oh, also we now have Democrats on record saying that government stimulus funding of research and other projects accomplishes nothing.)

* Partial: US citizens and legal residents were allowed to return home after visiting China, and not isolated, tested, monitored, or tracked. This was a mistake. But the partial shutdown was better than nothing.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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Par for the course:
Millions Of COVID-19 Vaccine Doses Stuck In Warehouses Until Federal Orders, Pfizer Says
Stunned states, meanwhile, have been told that their expected vaccine shipments over the next two weeks have been cut nearly in half.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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Sweden’s King Carl XVI Gustaf: ‘We Have Failed’ With Light-Touch COVID-19 Policy
"Sweden has stood out from most countries by shunning lockdowns and face masks, leaving schools, restaurants and businesses largely open."
Sweden’s king said his country had failed in its handling of COVID-19, in a sharp criticism of pandemic policy partly blamed for a high death toll among the elderly.

Carl XVI Gustaf, whose son and daughter-in-law tested positive last month, used an annual royal Christmas TV special to highlight the growing impact of the virus, in a rare intervention from a monarch whose duties are largely ceremonial.

Sweden has stood out from most countries by shunning lockdowns and face masks, leaving schools, restaurants and businesses largely open and relying mainly on voluntary social distancing and hygiene recommendations to slow the spread.

An official commission said on Tuesday systemic shortcomings in elderly care coupled with inadequate measures from the government and agencies contributed to Sweden’s particularly high death toll in nursing homes.

“I believe we have failed,” the king said in an excerpt from the program broadcast by SVT on Wednesday. The full show airs on Dec. 21.

“We have had a large number of deaths and that is terrible. That is something that brings us all suffering.”

Sweden has registered more than 7,800 deaths, a much higher per capita rate than its Nordic neighbors* but lower than in Britain, Italy, Spain or France, which have all opted for lockdowns.

The 74-year-old king has no formal political power and rarely comments on current and political issues, though he has addressed the nation to offer encouragement during the outbreak.

In the spring, the government’s response to the pandemic was widely supported by Swedes who carried on much as normal while most of Europe entered lockdown.

But the rising death toll - particularly among elderly residents of care homes - has drawn increasing criticism.

A poll in daily Dagens Nyheter on Thursday showed around a third of Swedes expressed a high level of confidence in authorities’ handling of the pandemic, down from 42% in March and a peak of 56% after the summer lull in infections.
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* Emphasis added - Sweden's death rate per capita is ten times that of its neighbours.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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Weekly reminder:
  • The State of Arizona is currently at over 450,000 active cases, and nearing 8,000 deaths due to COVID. This past week, the new case total never dipped below 4,100.
  • In addition, the state hit 7,000 average new cases for the time period from December 8-14, with 7,771 cases per day.
  • Yesterday, the state also hit a new high seven-day average of new deaths, with 88. Reports list that the last four days (Dec. 16-19) had over 100 new deaths every day.
  • The US hit 9.5 million active cases this week, roughly 30% of the the worldwide total. There are over 300,000 deaths due to COVID in the US - which makes up just under 19% of the total world-wide.
  • Maricopa County has recorded 274,956 active cases of COVID-19 through the 19th, a rate of 6,130 per 100k residents. For comparison, the USA as a whole is at a ratio of 2,883 per 100k; the rest of the world (not including the USA) is at 299 per 100k.
  • Finally - Okanogan County, Washington, has a lower case per 100k total (3,667) than every county in Arizona, despite having more active cases (1,549) than two counties - both of which have drastically fewer residents than Okanogan. Greenlee County, Arizona's smallest in terms of population (9.498) has only 351 active cases.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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AnotherFairportfan wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:28 pm
Lou Dobbs’ Vote Fraud Lies Debunked On His Program After Legal Threat By Vote Tech Firm
The segment shot down Dobbs’ previous claims after a letter from Smartmatic demanded “full and complete retraction of all its false and defamatory statements.”
Once again, you posted to the wrong thread...
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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AnotherFairportfan wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:45 am
lake_wrangler wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:18 pm
AnotherFairportfan wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:45 am
Which, of course, accomplished nothing.
I'm not sure what you mean. He made federal funds available to partner with private companies, to help advance the development of the vaccine, and here we are, there is a vaccine ready. How is that not accomplishing something? I don't understand your reasoning. Please explain.
Sorry - i meant with regard to the vaccine that's currently out there.

Not only did Pfizer accept very little or none Warp Speed funding and proceeded on their own, the Trump Administration declined to lock in the right to purchase another million doses when it was offered.

Now they're scrambling to get more since Pfizer sold all of the vaccine that they declined to purchase to other countries.

Warp Speed did back Moderna, and their vaccine is expected to be approved by the end of the week.
Thank you. I was not aware of these facts.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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Meanwhile...


PUNISHED for PLAYING HOCKEY: Calgary police threaten to TASER young skater at outdoor rink

Tl;dr: after someone complained of there being too many people on the outdoor ice rink in Calgary, Alberta, the police showed up. By then, there was hardly anyone there. They still started talking to kids there. A 21 year old skated over to see what was going on. The police asked him to identify himself, which he wouldn't until they could tell him what he was doing wrong. Police didn't like his attitude, tried to cuff him, he backed away, they threatened to taser him (this, after they had already been kicking/hitting him with their knees and so on).

He complied, but now faces a count of obstructing police, or some such. Not surprisingly, the mainstream media never mentioned the police pulling the taser out on him, and the police department issued a statement later which said that their police officers never behaved inappropriately...
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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lake_wrangler wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:57 pm
AnotherFairportfan wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:28 pm
Lou Dobbs’ Vote Fraud Lies Debunked On His Program After Legal Threat By Vote Tech Firm
The segment shot down Dobbs’ previous claims after a letter from Smartmatic demanded “full and complete retraction of all its false and defamatory statements.”
Once again, you posted to the wrong thread...
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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"I CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS": Doctor pleads for review of data during COVID-19 Senate hearing




Clinical Trials and Research Roundup | Doctors: Ivermectin Can Help Treat COVID: Will Anyone Listen?
(Plus news on one setback in vaccine fabrication, and news on health care workers hesitating on getting vaccinated)

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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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Locking this thread down as well.

It would be one thing to actually be focusing on SARS-COV-2 and COVID-19, but just skimming through the posts, I keep seeing far to many ad-hominum political attacks, rather than useful discourse and information dispersal.

Feel free to create another thread on the topic, but the first person to start pointing fingers to try to blame individuals, governments, or even countries for a disease gets thumped.
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
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