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Sgt. Howard wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:39 am"It rendered the tea undrinkable, even by American standards,"

I know I've heard this before, and I'm pretty sure it came from a movie, but I can't seem to place it.

Could you refresh my memory?

Opus the Poet wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:58 am Now we know why there haven't been new comic posts for a while, animation is like a week's worth of comic drawings for a few seconds of video time. At 24 frames per second for full animation that's 6 days of Wapsi comics per second of video.

Yeah. Economically, hand-drawn animation is a bit of a hard cel.

Opus the Poet wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:58 am Now we know why there haven't been new comic posts for a while, animation is like a week's worth of comic drawings for a few seconds of video time. At 24 frames per second for full animation that's 6 days of Wapsi comics per second of video.

Actually, even Disney classical animation is only twelve images per second; each one is shot twice.

The term for this is "on twos".

Roger Rabbit was only the second Disney release shot on the ones; the only one before that was "The Old Mill"

Even then, Isn't there some 'in-between-r" automation going on?

This is where Hanna-Barberra make their mint - they looked at animation as a process and came up with the floating character on a looping background. Similarly, freeze bodies and moving heads. That's why most every H-B character had a collar or scarf to allow for head positioning without sweating the lineup too much. Ditto arms/legs in walking/running sequences. Since 3/4 of the frame was static or stepped background, the work load was reduced big time.

So that's why those older cartoon characters wouldn't move most of their bodies.

Even then, Isn't there some 'in-between-r" automation going on?

In other words, it doesn't look like he's penning every frame.

Alkarii wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 1:33 am So that's why those older cartoon characters wouldn't move most of their bodies.

Having watched great deal of after school programming, I'd puzzled out things like that.

(I'm one of those annoying Under-Achieving Phenoms you've heard so much about...)

There is another related class where the whole head is static and only the mouth area is animated.

I remember watching a cartoon, once, where the characters (from a series with decent animation value) ended up in the world of another cartoon (I think it was Fat Albert) with somewhat lower animation value/quality. At one point, the Fat Albert characters could not go on, because they had run out of animation budget for the episode, or something to that effect (ran out of # of allowable animation frames per episode, or something like that), because the higher animation value characters had used them all up.

I wish I could remember what that cartoon was.

lake_wrangler wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:14 am

Sgt. Howard wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:39 am"It rendered the tea undrinkable, even by American standards,"

I know I've heard this before, and I'm pretty sure it came from a movie, but I can't seem to place it.

Could you refresh my memory?

The original "Mary Poppins"- Mr. Banks is reciting history to the Manager of the Bank he works for.

I have stolen this concept and used it often in my writings- in "A visit to Phix", we have this:

"DAMN!!! Who would have thought that 'Gaius Cornelius Antonia' was so common a name back then!?!?! I have at least TWENTY possibilities for this joker,"
"Stop whining, Bia- eventually we will find him... he can't hide forever," Nudge returned.
"He has managed for two thousand years... this is NOT your average Mortal," Tsillah added, "I have one here... no, he was executed for philandering with some official's wife... UGH! Look what they DID to him,"
"Disgusting... even by Roman standards," commented Nudge.

TazManiac wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 5:14 pm Even then, Isn't there some 'in-between-r" automation going on?

In Disney animation {and Looney Tunes, too, i think} the lead animator does "key frames" beginning and ending a sequence, and the "in-betweeners" fill in the frames in between - at twelve frames per second, and then each is shot twice.

{If the action is particularly fast, the animation will sometimes switch fro twos to shooting on ones, to avoid "strobing", when something moves too far from frame to frame.}

Atomic wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:59 pm This is where Hanna-Barberra make their mint - they looked at animation as a process and came up with the floating character on a looping background. Similarly, freeze bodies and moving heads. That's why most every H-B character had a collar or scarf to allow for head positioning without sweating the lineup too much. Ditto arms/legs in walking/running sequences. Since 3/4 of the frame was static or stepped background, the work load was reduced big time.

Another thing you might not have noticed on HB animation - only the character who is talking is actually moving in most cases.

Disney and other houses doing full animation, shooting on twos had a trick where half of the moving elements in a shot would be shot on alternate frames - one would be photographed on frames AB,CD and the other half would be shot BC,DE - so that every frame projected would have something moving in it...

As pointed out, animating "on the twos" makes the imagery 12FPS in a 24FPS environment, which can cause strobing. IIRC, the animators of Jurassic Park dealt with something similar to get their animated dinos moving realistically. One of the advances in their animation package was introducing a level of speed blur to the movement, making it more "film like" by emulating the frame exposure capture rate.

TazManiac wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:34 am

Alkarii wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 1:33 am So that's why those older cartoon characters wouldn't move most of their bodies.

Having watched great deal of after school programming, I'd puzzled out things like that.

(I'm one of those annoying Under-Achieving Phenoms you've heard so much about...)

There is another related class where the whole head is static and only the mouth area is animated.

People talking without moving their chins was one of my peeves with H-B "animation".