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Apparently this board does not automatically follow the end/beginning of Daylight Time - i noticed that all the timestamps were an hour ahead of the actual time.

Click "User Control Panel" at top left, click "Board Preferences" and change that setting if necessary.

And to those of us in the USA and associated, if affected, territories and regions- Please consider contacting your local, state, & national representatives in Government Office and have them

Repeal Daylight Saving Time...


I thank you.

This board is running an earlier version of phpBB. A non-admin cannot check the software version, as a security measure. I'm currently running 3.1.9, and need to upgrade to 3.1.10 (latest stable release).

The DSY flags disappeared with 3.1.8, IIRC.

Meanwhile, here's how to turn DST off in your UCP:

Mine's correct.

TazManiac wrote:And to those of us in the USA and associated, if affected, territories and regions- Please consider contacting your local, state, & national representatives in Government Office and have them

Repeal Daylight Saving Time...


I thank you.

Quote from across the river (reservation territory)-
"Only white man would cut one foot off the bottom of his blanket and sew it onto the top and think he has a bigger blanket,"

Sgt. Howard wrote:Quote from across the river (reservation territory)-
"Only white man would cut one foot off the bottom of his blanket and sew it onto the top and think he has a bigger blanket,"

In an economy that uses the sun or candles/lamps for light, it makes sense.

AnotherFairportfan wrote:

Sgt. Howard wrote:Quote from across the river (reservation territory)-
"Only white man would cut one foot off the bottom of his blanket and sew it onto the top and think he has a bigger blanket,"

In an economy that uses the sun or candles/lamps for light, it makes sense.

But it was developed just as electrical power made inroads into people's homes- especially in this country.

Sgt. Howard wrote:

AnotherFairportfan wrote:

Sgt. Howard wrote:Quote from across the river (reservation territory)-
"Only white man would cut one foot off the bottom of his blanket and sew it onto the top and think he has a bigger blanket,"

In an economy that uses the sun or candles/lamps for light, it makes sense.

But it was developed just as electrical power made inroads into people's homes- especially in this country.

Not so - goes back to Revolutionary days.

It's unclear whether Franklin suggested it or merely discussed it, but there are calculations (supposedly by Franklin) that point up how many TONS of tallow/wax could be annually saved via its adoption.

What was coming in as electricity became available was "Railroad Time" - standard time.

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Also, it's not home lighting it's stores, industrial buildings, mills, factories, warehouses and the like. "Dark Satanic mills"

Also the fields - but in the fields, it's more-or-less automatic as the farmer follows the Sun anyway.

Farmers hate DST. DST doesn't save energy.

What it does do is give more evening daylight. So people are more apt to go out shopping after work.

Right. But if you work by the clock, it shifts the work day more solidly into the sunlit hours, thus (as Franklin's - or whoever's - calculation) reducing the demand for artificial illumination.

I almost didn't set my clocks back, because I wanted to communicate to you from the future.

"I greet you, people of the past! Your ways are quaint..."

(Wow, "quaint" certainly sounds weird, doesn't it not?)

GlytchMeister wrote:Farmers hate DST. DST doesn't save energy.

What it does do is give more evening daylight. So people are more apt to go out shopping after work.

Also gives you more time to sit in the sun and enjoy a beverage after work. There's that.

For those business and institutions that need to address attendance based on the amount of Sun in the sky or the length of the day- there is already a suitable solution:

"We are changing over to 'Summer Hour's, starting next week...".

Change the Schedule, Don't Change the Clock.

TazManiac wrote:For those business and institutions that need to address attendance based on the amount of Sun in the sky or the length of the day- there is already a suitable solution:

"We are changing over to 'Summer Hour's, starting next week...".

Change the Schedule, Don't Change the Clock.

I was in high school back when a decision was made, due to the "energy crisis", that we should do DST year round.

Which makes a lot of sense, really, on a winter day when there are only about 9 hours of daylight to begin with, and most people get up before sunrise and go to bed after sunset ANYWAY. Cutting a foot off one end of a bath towel and sewing it to the other end will not make a larger blanket.

A month or so after DST would normally have ended, we learned how bad the consequences could be. A grade-school girl, waiting for a school bus on a narrow country road in the dark - nearly an hour before sunrise - got hit by a car. She wasn't killed, but she spent quite a bit of time in the hospital and got some permanent physical disabilities.

The school district responded by shifting its entire schedule an hour later for the remainder of the year. That meant kids got home from school well after dark... but they didn't then stand by the road waiting for something, they went inside where there are far fewer cars.

The next year, DST ended in the normal fashion.

For those of us in the mid-latitudes (30-40 North) of America, we don't appreciate how much the day length changes in the higher latitudes of Europe. I spent a few years in England at 54 North, and it's a huge deal between Summer and Winter. During the summer solstice, working Mid-shift was a real pain, because you came to work at 11 PM, the sky was getting bright by 1 AM, and the sun was up at 3 AM. Then you had 4 more hours to go. Twilight lasted past 10 PM. The European movies where the party lasted until dawn meant only 2 AM or so with a bright sky.

Winter? Sunrise after 9 AM and set by 4 PM. Ever notice all the busy streets in the Sherlock Holmes movies in total darkness? Night life was from 6 PM on! Think of the low sun angles we see about an hour before sunset around here, and that's like Noon in winter England assuming it isn't cloudy. As a weather guy, one cloudy day in February, somebody asked when was the last time we saw the sun. We checked the records, and the last time it wasn't overcast during daylight was early December. What a deal!

Warrl wrote:I was in high school back when a decision was made, due to the "energy crisis", that we should do DST year round.

Ah, yes--the year Nixon tried to abolish standard time! I remember that.

I forget whether that was the year he tried to stamp out Xmas lights, too. Which, in fairness, at that time drew something like 5-7 W/bulb.

Both campaigns were wildly unpopular.

I can commiserate with folks who have trouble with the Sun going down at inopportune times; yet I still stick to Noon being the Sun straight overhead/ at it's zenith and the rest takes care of it's self.

If the schedule needs adjusting to match the conditions, well, that's only Logical after all.


Changing the clock seems like cheating on one hand and trying to pull a fast one on the other- both are fugly...

Atomic wrote:For those of us in the mid-latitudes (30-40 North) of America, we don't appreciate how much the day length changes in the higher latitudes of Europe. I spent a few years in England at 54 North, and it's a huge deal between Summer and Winter. ... Winter? Sunrise after 9 AM and set by 4 PM.

I wasn't quite that far north - in fact, even the few years I lived in Canada I mostly lived south of the 49th parallel that defines a huge chunk of the US-Canadian border - but I spent most of my childhood north of the 48th parallel. And yeah, in the winter most kids went out to wait for the school bus about sunrise, and the far ends of the after-school bus routes were reached about sunset - the late buses, for people who participated in after-school activities at the high school, would run most of their route in darkness.

And that's STANDARD time.