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I don't like Tina's look in that last panel.

And now the fallout begins... perhaps a visit to Phix might help?

"Oops. That wasn't part of the plan."

Ummm... oh, yeah. Tina's little plan does seem to have gone sideways, in ways that she hadn't anticipated.

This little interlude was quite bad for Monica... and if Phix or someone else decides that Monica was harmed as a result of Tina's having used her demonic power of compulsion to put Monica into that trance, Tina could be in Really Big Trouble!

Kind of a "That wasn't supposed to happen"-type look in Tinas' eyes. The look on Monicas' face as she repeats those three words.
I. Was. RAPED! Now was this just Mentally, or is there ..."Physical evidence" ? Hate seeing Monica go through this.

Dave wrote:... if Phix or someone else decides that Monica was harmed as a result of Tina's having used her demonic power of compulsion to put Monica into that trance, Tina could be in Really Big Trouble!

Yep.

She had no idea ... she really didn't know ...

THE MIKADO. That's the pathetic part of it. Unfortunately, the fool of an Act says "compassing the death of the Heir Apparent." There's not a word about a mistake----

KO-KO, PITTI-SING AND POO-BAH. No!

MIK. Or not knowing----

KO. No!

MIK. Or having no notion----

PITTI. No!

MIK. Or not being there----

POOH. No!

MIK. There should be, of course---

KO., PITTI., and POOH. Yes!

MIK. But there isn't.

KO., PITTI., and POOH. Oh!

MIK. That's the slovenly way in which these Acts are always drawn. However, cheer up, it'll be all right. I'll have it altered next session. Now, let's see about your execution--will after luncheon suit you? Can you wait till then?

OK the psychological damage is real, time to draw upon the knowledge from Tina1.0 to do a meatball psych fix. (M*A*S*H reference)

Opus the Poet wrote:OK the psychological damage is real, time to draw upon the knowledge from Tina1.0 to do a meatball psych fix. (M*A*S*H reference)

Or call in the pro from Dover.

Ouch. The damage is real. I think Tina spotted the parasite infecting Jett and tossed the Demon Shepard at it, figuring Monica could deal with it.

And she did, but not without some lasting psychological scars.

I think Tina miscalculated badly, here, and it may cause some real damage to their friendship.

Aside from damaging their friendship, from what Tina said, if she harms someone, time will stop....Whether just for her, or universally, has not been stated.....

Soooo.. thàt's how Tina's "Oops!"-face looks.

NOTDilbert wrote:Aside from damaging their friendship, from what Tina said, if she harms someone, time will stop....Whether just for her, or universally, has not been stated.....

Buuut.. (there's always a "buuut" ) Wasn't there some loop-hole about "being harmed indirectly through her actions" , or "make someone do something that harms him/her?

I remember something about Tina stating that time would only stop if she f.i. directly, deliberately stabbed someone through the heart.
Tina didn't know Tar was thát nasty. Her face in the last frame indicates as such. IMHO the thing that will follow is nót time-stoppage, but Tina going deeply into some existential crisis, and coming out of it even more human than she herself can imagine.

Her first confrontation with her burgeoning "humanity"was when she almost got Shelly to squash Nudge against the wall. (Although, I am still not sure if it was áctually Tina's Demonic influence, or Shelly's inherent Sphinxy short fuse that lead to that altercation)

This is just another notch in her becoming human.

Not good at all. How real is Covey-space? Was Monica truly physically raped? If the answer to both questions is yes, then Tina's shit is completely in the wind. If the Covey space part of this was in Monica's psyche, maybe Tina stands a chance. The only hope Tina has is that she didn't do it to intentionally harm anyone. That can be a very important distinction.

Something tells me that Phix will be coming through the door any time now and grabbing Tina by the throat. How will Monica react to that?

Wyvern wrote:"Oops. That wasn't part of the plan."

"Tina, Mr. Murphy. Mr. Murphy, Tina.

I'll move along and let you two get better acquainted."

DilyV wrote:Not good at all. How real is Covey-space? Was Monica truly physically raped? If the answer to both questions is yes, then Tina's shit is completely in the wind. If the Covey space part of this was in Monica's psyche, maybe Tina stands a chance. The only hope Tina has is that she didn't do it to intentionally harm anyone. That can be a very important distinction.

Something tells me that Phix will be coming through the door any time now and grabbing Tina by the throat. How will Monica react to that?

Not to be too much of a s**t house lawyer, but Tina didn't technically cause Monica any harm. That's the big loophole demons operate under.
While she put Monica in a position where she could potentially be harmed, Tina did not cause said harm herself.

So she's off the hook where demon law is concerned.

Wether she can forgive herself for what happened to her friend because of her actions, or wether Monica can forgive her, is another matter entirely.

Fairportfan wrote:Yep.

She had no idea ... she really didn't know ...

So, in the Wapsiverse production... would you be casting Phix as the Mikado, or as Lord High Executioner Ko-Ko?

NOTDilbert wrote:Aside from damaging their friendship, from what Tina said, if she harms someone, time will stop....Whether just for her, or universally, has not been stated.....

Conscience implied pretty strongly that the usual penalty for harming a human not your host, was an "automatic" memory erasure. Something like a "death of personality" in B5. I've wondered occasionally whether Tina's enigmatic "time will stop" comment was a poetic way of referring to this... time stops for the demons who have broken the rule, because their entire past suddenly ceases to exist (for them, at least).

DilyV wrote:Not good at all. How real is Covey-space? Was Monica truly physically raped? If the answer to both questions is yes, then Tina's shit is completely in the wind. If the Covey space part of this was in Monica's psyche, maybe Tina stands a chance.

I wouldn't count on Monica not showing physical signs of trauma from the attack, even if Covey-space is essentially non-physical. An event as traumatic as that Monica experienced could easily trigger psychomatic symptoms which mirror or mimic the remembered experience... "stigmata", as it were. (cringes more than a bit in sympathy)

Monica seems almost as horrified by her own primal Jaguar Girl reaction to being raped, as she is to the rape itself (just as many readers were, last week). This incident could well scar her quite deeply... if she had any tendency left to deny how dangerous she is, I think it just went pfft. She's going to need some serious emotional support to get through this... and somehow I doubt she'll be comfortable turning to Tina for insight this time.

The only hope Tina has is that she didn't do it to intentionally harm anyone. That can be a very important distinction.

Something tells me that Phix will be coming through the door any time now and grabbing Tina by the throat. How will Monica react to that?

Tina seems likely to need whatever stash of "mitigation of sentence" cards she's been saving the the cash register

...and here's the emotional reaction that some readers thought would never come. Survivor's guilt, fear & self-loathing, others I can't even guess at. I want to think it's too soon to say Mon would blame Tina for this, but that does seem likely anyway; particularly since Mon doesn't seem comforted by the fact that she saved 'Jet from a destructive parasite.

TheDOCTOR wrote:Kind of a "That wasn't supposed to happen"-type look in Tinas' eyes. The look on Monicas' face as she repeats those three words.
I. Was. RAPED! Now was this just Mentally, or is there ..."Physical evidence" ? Hate seeing Monica go through this.

phew... we'll have to wait for tomorrow... and what about jet???

well I'm sure that some victims would love to be able to do what she did... take the 'mental ghost' that haunts them of that, and 'draw and quarter' it...

DilyV: I'm guessing Jet may 'come round' and give them some 'thanks' & support ??????

One thing Monica has going for her is the fact that three of her closest friends have been exactly where she is right now. The GGGs were violated then lashed out and destroyed their tormentors and have been dealing with the aftermath ever since. Bud, Jin and Brandi will be able to say with honest, "We know what you are going through."

I don't know if M will blame Tina for what happened here, but I doubt she'll want any comfort from her at the moment.

Horrible.

But I figured Tina was not expecting this to happen...I think her idea was that as a Jaguar Girl, Monica would be the only one that could get rid of that thing, but her expression in the last panel suggests she is just beginning to comprehend what she did, inadvertent or not. So not only does Monica have the hideous task of recovering from one of the worst experiences imaginable (IMO), Tina (or at least blackWing) has the guilt of having sent her there. All kinds of suck today.

I wonder if Jet was raped as a child, and that gave rise to the tar, and I wonder if because of that she and Monica can ultimately help each other heal.
EDIT: Then again, I'm not certain Jet could comprehend where Monica was or exactly how she could have been violated.

Boxilar wrote:The GGGs were violated then lashed out and destroyed their tormentors and have been dealing with the aftermath ever since. Bud, Jin and Brandi will be able to say with honest, "We know what you are going through."

Them too.

I'll be in the corner eating chocolate...

illiad wrote: DilyV: I'm guessing Jet may 'come round' and give them some 'thanks' & support ??????

I don't see that happening anytime soon. Not after rather traumatically having her soul laid bare right before being knocked out. On top of that, she wouldn't even know they did anything, anyway.

There's also the fact that the Tar had been with her since childhood. We don't know what it was, where it came from, how much of an influence it had on Georgette's personality, or if she even consciously knew it existed. For all we know, she somehow created it (subconsciously blaming the demons for the plane crash and creating the Tar to "punish" them?). Suddenly it's gone. I'm not even going to try to predict how she'll react.