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RunningBull wrote:Ok, it is like 1,200 miles from Palenque to Mapimi, and Kat has no shoes, money, or ID.
Or a library annex perhaps? Possible at the rear of the tourist shop nearby. . .IDK, just tossing spitballs at this point.
Makes sense... poiting and stargating being based on the same set of phenomena. Be interesting to learn whether the Library portal system (and interdimensional travel) have a similar basis, or whether they're spatial wormholes, or whether there's a third set of phenomena in use.Wapsi wrote:*Phix hands you a cookie* =)jwhouk wrote:So THAT'S how they poit.
Funny thing is that this reminds me of a Unified Field Theory I heard a couple of decades ago that if you can alter the energy field of an object and make it match another place's, it will take that object and transport it to the other location in an instant. No wormhole or hyperspace needed. The Akashic field is sounding like the place that one came from. Either way, I always figured that Paul was going to avoid 'Star Trek Transporter' methods in how the girls poit.Dave wrote:Akashic records and quantum theory... very interesting, in a couple of ways!
For one thing, this discussion seems to confirm that Atsali knows a lot more than the average teenager would... I get the feeling her "bookish" interests don't stop at classic adventure stories! We've already seen indications that she's "rich on theory and shy on practice", perhaps in part as a result of being an orphan... maybe she compensated for the lack of a family environment by diving deep into a search for knowledge, practical or otherwise? Quite the little book-nerd, is our little irrepressible chatterbox!
And the specifics of stargates... also very interesting. It's been decades since I read about Theosophy back in college, but the Wikipedia article confirms what I recall. The Akashic record is supposed to be a massive memory of everything has occurred, imprinted into the very "aether" (the fabric of space-time itself, in effect) that can be accessed and viewed in some fashion. In Theosophical thinking, it plays a part in how one is evaluated and judged after death, I believe... the "your whole life flashes across your eyes as you die" experience is supposed to be a replaying of your personal slice of the records, so you can truly see what you have done in your life and how it affected other people.
So... in this Wapsi context, what Atsali seems to be saying is that stargates don't involve the warping of space ("stitching" two separate places together via a shortcut path in space-time). Rather, they may operate by "unwriting" the information which encodes your mass/energy/existence from one point in space-time, and "rewriting" you back into existence at another point... in effect, updating the Akashic record of your existence. The Universe "forgets about you" in one place and begins "remembering you" in another place. How the information is transferred from one place to another seems to be a quantum mechanical effect... I'd guess using the phenomenon known as "entanglement" (a.k.a. "spooky action at a distance"). Entanglement is very real, and the effects can be utilized across great distances. Measuring one entangled particle affects the other one in the pair instantaneously, regardless of distance... but for quantum reasons it seems to be impossible to use this to actually convey any information faster than the speed of light, alas. I keep hoping somebody will find a tricky way around this limitation... it would be worldshaking if ever accomplished!
If I've got that anywhere near right... Paul, you continue to amaze me... a very clever and inventive synthesis of ideas!
jwhouk wrote:So THAT'S how they poit.
I think I disagree with one of your postulates. The Akashic record, according to wiki lol, is a collection of knowledge and information. That could be what the library is. So it is the source of where everything is. You don't need to rewrite any part of it to be able to move around, just move. The Quantum aspect is that by that theory an object can be in many different places at the same time. That makes the record the navigation part and the device matches quantum states between the two locations. So the person is at the other location without having to do anything but stand still. The only energy required would be to match the quantum states between the two locations for the thing being moved. SO using the two together would provide the ability to move without needing a stargate. The flash when the girls arrived was probably from the explosion of the chopper and their flying out of the building is the result of the impact of Sali flying into Kathy. The energy and momentum would transfer through matched locations on a quantum state.Dave wrote:Akashic records and quantum theory... very
So... in this Wapsi context, what Atsali seems to be saying is that stargates don't involve the warping of space ("stitching" two separate places together via a shortcut path in space-time). Rather, they may operate by "unwriting" the information which encodes your mass/energy/existence from one point in space-time, and "rewriting" you back into existence at another point... in effect, updating the Akashic record of your existence. The Universe "forgets about you" in one place and begins "remembering you" in another place. How the information is transferred from one place to another seems to be a quantum mechanical effect... I'd guess using the phenomenon known as "entanglement" (a.k.a. "spooky action at a distance"). Entanglement is very real, and the effects can be utilized across great distances. Measuring one entangled particle affects the other one in the pair instantaneously, regardless of distance... but for quantum reasons it seems to be impossible to use this to actually convey any information faster than the speed of light, alas. I keep hoping somebody will find a tricky way around this limitation... it would be worldshaking if ever accomplished!
If I've got that anywhere near right... Paul, you continue to amaze me... a very clever and inventive synthesis of ideas!
kingklash wrote:"I Poited Over To Mapimi, And All I Got Was This T-Shirt"
It also explains the way the Library works.Wapsi wrote:*Phix hands you a cookie* =)jwhouk wrote:So THAT'S how they poit.
If they a good grasp on how Telepoitaion works they wouldn't have needed the Chimera. Why build a hard to control monster that can, and did, destroy half the world when you could teleport a mountain over the capital city of your enemies?jwhouk wrote:And the Lanthians used this to basically wipe out their entire civilization.
...or DID they?
From my take on things the Lanthian civilization may not have had this information. The Library may have been unknown (or removed from their access when the power shifted) to them. After the Chimera went berserk the Titans were them made aware of the disaster and Bia and Charon took things from there. But that is just my idea.Jabberwonky wrote:If they a good grasp on how Telepoitaion works they wouldn't have needed the Chimera. Why build a hard to control monster that can, and did, destroy half the world when you could teleport a mountain over the capital city of your enemies?jwhouk wrote:And the Lanthians used this to basically wipe out their entire civilization.
...or DID they?
Other than it's Mad Science 101, that is...
She does however have the keys to a stargate... so she doesn't really need all the above.RunningBull wrote:Ok, it is like 1,200 miles from Palenque to Mapimi, and Kat has no shoes, money, or ID.
hopefully our two adventurers stay out of trouble in Mapimi.jwhouk wrote:"We're going to Map-i-mi, Map-i-mi, Map-imi
We're gong to Map-i-mi..."
(Brandi's voice) "Yo, I don't think so."
I knew the T-shirts existed, but 
Jabberwonky wrote:If they a good grasp on how Telepoitaion works they wouldn't have needed the Chimera. Why build a hard to control monster that can, and did, destroy half the world when you could teleport a mountain over the capital city of your enemies?
Interesting. Why stop at "many?" We (and indeed everything) may actually be everywhere all the time. So one could go anywhere by, as you say, a matching quantum energy process. One never really "moves" at all since he/she is already there, no matter where "there" is. The only hitch is that the person has to go to that place at least once for it to work. Perhaps because the body needs to "learn" the quantum state of that location. Once learned, it can return at will. The mind does the matching unconsciously. Apparently one can even send other matter to that place, as Monica did by poiting snow away. Not to mention that poiters can carry hitchhikers along. Also a good way for poiters new to that place to learn the quantum state.zachariah wrote:The Quantum aspect is that by that theory an object can be in many different places at the same time. That makes the record the navigation part and the device matches quantum states between the two locations. So the person is at the other location without having to do anything but stand still. The only energy required would be to match the quantum states between the two locations for the thing being moved.
I have the impression that the Chimera was created by those who wanted to overthrow the Lanthians. Surprise!Wyvern wrote:We've never gotten any explanation of why the Lanthians created the Chimera. This has come up before. And it's worth asking, although we hope egotism or power was a major factor. If the Chimera was instead a plausible solution...what was their problem?
