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Atomic wrote:

AnotherFairportfan wrote:Isn't it established that Suzie was the one who dealt with Monica's rapist at the mental hospital?

Strongly hinted at IIRC -- the fellow was found after falling from the roof missing all his blood and maybe his jaw. From a Monica flashback speech I think.

Suzie reminds me of the Ghengis Kahn warning:

I am the flail of God! And what terrible sinners you are to deserve me as your punishment!

My favorite Ghengis Khan quote:

“The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.” ~Ghengis Khan, 1226~

Good... Good... Use your agressive feelings, girl... Let the hate flow through you...
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And now I'm hungry. I think I'll have a burger...

(My stomach does not seem to care if I've just seen something grisly or nasty. I can talk about how getting shot in the stomach is a really nasty way to go because your own stomach acid and enzymes start to eat away at you, painfully, for a good long while before you get the mercy of dying from eventual blood loss.)

And maybe some mashed potatoes...

Well, it would appear Suzie has not actually reformed after all. Though a child rapist and child murderer is pretty much the lowest, anyone who could do that to a human being, no matter what their crime, is worse than the perp. It takes a really vile sort to do something like that. Don't like Suzie at all. Nope, not one bit. Justice is one thing, torture quite another. Especially on that scale. In the end she is no better than him, or any of the others who have used flaying as punishment through the ages. Not to me anyway. That's why I never liked the "Dexter" series.

I don't really see the point in this either. I guess Pablo just wanted to shock his audience. Generate a buzz perhaps. Appears to have nothing to do with any plot ongoing. I thought he was better than that. Guess not. Pats himself on the back for not showing any of that "terrible" nudity but has no qualms about this I guess. And I agree, a warning would have been nice. He did that once. Maybe since this didn't have any color he felt it didn't need it. Come to think of it that thing about the girl she bled out that one time didn't have anything to do with anything either. But still, this goes way beyond that. Even worse than the drawing of her with the half eaten guy a ways back. Given that in her past, I would think her superiors would pretty much know she did this. Her partner certainly will. Be interesting to see what she does about it, but I doubt the story will go into any of that. This seems like it will just be a throwaway thing like the girl she bled was.

Maybe she's sexist as well as cruel and vengeful, and just likes to torture and devour men, at least when she can justify it to herself. May have a thing about it, given the prison thing at one time in her past. Wasn't a women's prison after all. Seems like she would have blended in better in one of those than a men's prison. But then, I don't guess any of this actually has to make sense.

Sorry to be so wordy, but this sort of thing kind of pushes my button as you might be able to tell from my tag line.

Bathorys Daughter wrote:I don't really see the point in this either. I guess Pablo just wanted to shock his audience.

If he is going to have a subplot in the story about Suzie having a serious problem with this sort of thing, then this would actually be one of the better ways to start it. Simply having some character talking to another about how Suzie does horribly shocking things would be too flat for a visual-based media (imagine if the movie Forrest Gump had consisted only of Forrest sitting on the bench telling people what happened, rather than going into flashbacks and showing the events). After all, you're now left in no doubt at all as to how excessive Suzie is being or that she needs some reining in!

Come to think of it that thing about the girl she bled out that one time didn't have anything to do with anything either.

I thought that that actually went a rather long way to not only showing how law-abiding vampires function in society while still tending to their basic needs, but also to establishing a good bit of Suzie's character.

I'm seeing an interesting theme with Suzie: whether she's doing what she considers merciful (such as with the dead girl) or vengeful justice (as with Martin Reynolds or this current guy), unpleasant death is involved and she gets personally invested in it.

I have such a crush on that chick now. She's ADRBL.

"Why is he not upside down?"

Bad joke, sorry couldn't help it.

Did... this Wapsi Square suddenly turn into Saw?

Suzi is very close to going over the edge with this. While she may feel justified she is not. She is acting by herself in deciding what should be done to a criminal rather than letting society to handle it. She set herself above the social contract and legal system. No matter what the justification is she should not do that! Once started where does she stop? With her power and agelessness what happens when she decides to start applying punishment to criminals for lesser crimes. It could easily end up with her doing this to jay walkers years down the line. Each time she does this she self justifies her action by saying her deserved it! It is not her right to decide what he deserves!!! This can easily lead to others deciding that she is the problem, not the solution. The FBI has already censured her for doing this. Now MIB will have to as well. They might just decide to just remove the source of potential trouble rather than deal with it. After the the Apos are always hungry.

Dave wrote:

MerchManDan wrote:.....Christ.

"Personally, I don't think He's involved." (Eric Draven)

Actually, He made it explicitly clear that He was. Millstones.

Though there are rabbis out there that believe Isaac will be prosecuting Yahweh when the Day comes.

Bathorys Daughter wrote:Justice is one thing, torture quite another. Especially on that scale. In the end she is no better than him, or any of the others who have used flaying as punishment through the ages. Not to me anyway. That's why I never liked the "Dexter" series.

The fascinating twist about Dexter was that he was a serial killer domesticated just to the point of killing only other serial killers. (Note that in the books, Dex's "dark passenger" is literally a demon.) The series sapiently demonstrates how loosening the rules for a likeable antihero annihilates the perception and pursuit of justice in everyone around him; you might want to revisit it with that in mind.

So violence in fiction has to serve a greater purpose, or yes, it's simply torture porn.

Bathorys Daughter wrote:I don't really see the point in this either. I guess Pablo just wanted to shock his audience. Generate a buzz perhaps. Appears to have nothing to do with any plot ongoing. I thought he was better than that.

Wapsi has been at its best when it offers solutions, rather than sheer animal gratification. Some acts invite the worst responses, but that doesn't solve problems, nor deters them: It mainly exacerbates the sense of intractable injustice and fear.

Which is why prevention is the hallmark of civilization.

How vèry Hellraiser...

Bathory's Daughter
Well, it would appear Suzie has not actually reformed after all. Though a child rapist and child murderer is pretty much the lowest, anyone who could do that to a human being, no matter what their crime, is worse than the perp. It takes a really vile sort to do something like that. Don't like Suzie at all. Nope, not one bit. Justice is one thing, torture quite another. Especially on that scale. In the end she is no better than him, or any of the others who have used flaying as punishment through the ages. Not to me anyway. That's why I never liked the "Dexter" series.

(I love the quote from Dostojevsky in Your sig. Illustrates my stance pretty well)

Kind of my thoughts too. But, then again, I'm one of those whishy-whashy mamby pamby Europeans who doesn't believe in the vèry American stance of "allout Revenge" against evil doers... Keeping them off the street will do for me. I pay a hefty amount of taxes for that, and do not even mind that I have to..

I can think of several times I've had violent rape victims on my table. Mine is the easy job- to take so many pounds of violated tissue and put it back together to allow for life. The mental scars are the ones that take forever to heal. There was a ten year old girl- we had to reconstruct her pelvic anatomy- then, five months later, we had to repair the tendons of her left wrist where she cut herself. Three months after that, we sewed her neck back together for the same reason. She finally OD'd on aspirin. That was 1986- I still have nightmares. I honestly don't know how many others there have been, but that one comes to mind immediately.

I'm thinking I could 'tech' for Suzi and eat pizza between instrument passes... and I do not consider myself a violent or vengeful man.

It's how casual she is about it that makes me uncomfortable with this. I suspect Fridays page to be similar.

This can't possibly be something that is just accepted by her superiors, the supernatural world needs to remain hidden. Phix was on the verge of crushing Monica and Shelly like bugs because they decided to show off their superior leaping skills in public, and while this isn't anywhere near as open... You don't want people getting nosy.

Suzie has obviously had a problem with this kind of thing for a while, hell she did the same to Monica's rapist. But the issue is, she can't be making these kinds of decisions. Especially given it's something within the human community.

GlytchMeister wrote:Good... Good... Use your agressive feelings, girl... Let the hate flow through you...
...
And now I'm hungry. I think I'll have a burger...

(My stomach does not seem to care if I've just seen something grisly or nasty. I can talk about how getting shot in the stomach is a really nasty way to go because your own stomach acid and enzymes start to eat away at you, painfully, for a good long while before you get the mercy of dying from eventual blood loss.)

And maybe some mashed potatoes...

"You want fries with that?"

AnotherFairportfan wrote:

Dave wrote:

MerchManDan wrote:.....Christ.

"Personally, I don't think he's involved." (Eric Draven)

I don't know whether the folks on the Other Side take kindly to those who hurt children... but it's clear that Suzi certainly does not!

Isn't it established that Suzie was the one who dealt with Monica's rapist at the mental hospital?

Yes, yes it is.

This cartoon actually inspired me to create an account just so I could post.

...I fucking love Suze.

Mr. Taylor, your use of blood spatter and flaying is spot-on. You, sir, are amazing.

Sgt. Howard wrote:
I'm thinking I could 'tech' for Suzi and eat pizza between instrument passes... and I do not consider myself a violent or vengeful man.

I dó consider myself a violent man. Heck! In my "wild Youth" I broke a guy's collarbone with a bar stool in the Mess hall. I was drunk, but still, not something to be proud of. Knówing I have that tendency, but not giving in to it, and let our justice sysyem deal with the real nasties, is far more important to me than letting my short-term primitive urges towards revenge rule my doings. (Oh, and I haven't touched booze for 30 years now, not even light beers)

If someone shoots at me, I'll shoot back, but when he's finally down, say with a 9mm throug his shattered hand&wrist, i will patch him up, and call the paramedics.

But, then again, that's how I taught myself to function. Suze is just a loose cannon that only gets away with it because the MIB will keep this under wraps. She's nòt motivated by justice, but only by vengeance, and especially towards men, because of her past.

"Revenge" also often leads to an intracable path of revenge for the revenge.

We, as a species, invented a justice system júst for cases like this. To have a neutral party (a judge and/or jury) decide what the appropriate punishment is for deed x. Suze is nòt a "neutral party" she's a "cop" with a deep trauma bubbling, festering under the surface. They are the worst partners on the beat, tbh.

Buut.. That's just me.

I feel sorry for the paramedics. What did they do to deserve having to walk in on that?

I really hope this isn't the start of one of those "you kidnapped and mangled the wrong man" kind of plots.

No one is commenting on the fact that Suz is, I believe, the first mortal to confirm there's an afterlife? We've seen Charon and heard of Hades; but Suzie here is offering eyewitness testimony that there's more than just here. And she's one of the few who can. Shelly died but apparently only got to the doorway before she was pulled back. Tina died but her body is inhabited by her demons and her soul slammed into Shelly's demons at the doorway and made Conscience. The GGG died and their minds and maybe souls were used as temples for golems. Monica dies but she comes back immediately. And as Jaguar Girl she can supposedly talk to the dead, but we haven't seen her do it yet. Vampires like Suzie died and came back, and can say what's on the other side.

That's a bit startling.

Bathorys Daughter wrote:Well, it would appear Suzie has not actually reformed after all. Though a child rapist and child murderer is pretty much the lowest, anyone who could do that to a human being, no matter what their crime, is worse than the perp. It takes a really vile sort to do something like that. Don't like Suzie at all. Nope, not one bit. Justice is one thing, torture quite another. Especially on that scale. In the end she is no better than him, or any of the others who have used flaying as punishment through the ages. Not to me anyway. That's why I never liked the "Dexter" series.

I don't really see the point in this either. I guess Pablo just wanted to shock his audience. Generate a buzz perhaps. Appears to have nothing to do with any plot ongoing. I thought he was better than that. Guess not. Pats himself on the back for not showing any of that "terrible" nudity but has no qualms about this I guess. And I agree, a warning would have been nice. He did that once. Maybe since this didn't have any color he felt it didn't need it. Come to think of it that thing about the girl she bled out that one time didn't have anything to do with anything either. But still, this goes way beyond that. Even worse than the drawing of her with the half eaten guy a ways back. Given that in her past, I would think her superiors would pretty much know she did this. Her partner certainly will. Be interesting to see what she does about it, but I doubt the story will go into any of that. This seems like it will just be a throwaway thing like the girl she bled was.

Maybe she's sexist as well as cruel and vengeful, and just likes to torture and devour men, at least when she can justify it to herself. May have a thing about it, given the prison thing at one time in her past. Wasn't a women's prison after all. Seems like she would have blended in better in one of those than a men's prison. But then, I don't guess any of this actually has to make sense.

Sorry to be so wordy, but this sort of thing kind of pushes my button as you might be able to tell from my tag line.

You need to trust the author.

We've seen Suzie has problems controlling herself under certain conditions, usually involving those who hurt and kill innocents. And in fact she tends to attack such with uncharacteristic hatred and cruelty. We've also seen she'll go to great lengths to prevent others from experiencing the circumstances - the dead being forgotten, anonymous, uncared for - that lead to vampirism. All this suggests Suzie's backstory is going to flatten us emotionally when it's revealed, and that Mr. Taylor is getting the pieces in place so, when it comes, we'll understand it all and the impact will be all the greater.

This is another brick in the wall.

I do believe, at some point, Suzie is going to find out that the only thing keeping her from being squashed like a bug on a windshield is what she did for the Jaguar Girl.

And this would be a good start to finding out who exactly she helped that one time at the Psych Ward.

I imagine at some point we will find out what some miscreant did to Suzi-