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Re: Atsali Xmas 2014-12-26

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:08 pm
by Thor
AnotherFairportfan wrote:...and Nadette transferring her crush...
After spending the last three Atsali arcs establishing and emphasizing Nadette's crush on Atsali, Nadette should just toss all that aside and transfer all her build-up infatuation onto some random girl in a coffee shop that we've never seen before?

Sounds legit.

Re: Atsali Xmas 2014-12-26

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:08 pm
by AnotherFairportfan
Thor wrote:
AnotherFairportfan wrote:...and Nadette transferring her crush...
After spending the last three Atsali arcs establishing and emphasizing Nadette's crush on Atsali, Nadette should just toss all that aside and transfer all her build-up infatuation onto some random girl in a coffee shop that we've never seen before?

Sounds legit.
Sounds sixteen.

Re: Atsali Xmas 2014-12-26

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:45 pm
by AmriloJim
Sixteen : logic :: Ooh, shiny!

Our new Sunday night obsession: seeing the Monday comic on FB as early as 9pm Minneapolis time and spending the next three hours hitting F5 and chanting, "Open, open, open."

Re: Atsali Xmas 2014-12-26

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:18 am
by Dave
AmriloJim wrote:Sixteen : logic :: Ooh, shiny!

Our new Sunday night obsession: seeing the Monday comic on FB as early as 9pm Minneapolis time and spending the next three hours hitting F5 and chanting, "Open, open, open."
New obsession?

The legions of long-time late-evening Wapsi-addict zombies would beg to differ with you. :)

Re: Atsali Xmas 2014-12-26

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:20 am
by Thor
AnotherFairportfan wrote:
Thor wrote:
AnotherFairportfan wrote:...and Nadette transferring her crush...
After spending the last three Atsali arcs establishing and emphasizing Nadette's crush on Atsali, Nadette should just toss all that aside and transfer all her build-up infatuation onto some random girl in a coffee shop that we've never seen before?

Sounds legit.
Sounds sixteen.
In fiction, things are more likely to hew to logical patterns of clearly established causes leading to wholly reasonable effect than they are to reflect the real and familiar. In fact, we expect things to happen for given reasons more in fiction in than in real life.

Mr. Taylor has spent three arcs establishing Nadette's crush for Atsali as a causative force. Letting that evaporate without resulting in some narrative effect is the hallmark of an amateur story-teller, so I highly doubt we will see this crush simply go away or be deflected into impotency--as would be the case if it were presented and justified as "LOL teenagers do silly things!".

We've already seen what happens when (not-so-)young women act capriciously when Monica and Shelley jumped off a roof and raced to the club. The storyline slapped them down hard. Besides, while Monica and Shelley and Atsali are main characters who--through a process of thorough character development--have more latitude to act in seemingly less predictable ways, due to their established complex web of experience and motivations, Nadette is only a supporting character who cannot act outside of her sparse and narrow definition without weakening the suspension of disbelief.

Everything that we have seen about Nadette to this point shows her to be anything but flighty and very consistent with her attraction to Atsali. Having her suddenly saying "Whatevs!" and pursuing a fresh piece of tail would be jarring to the reader, her age be damned. It would be as jarring as if Atsali instantly flipped to reveling in her new Queen Bee status and the attention it brings. We would need new groundwork laid that would show her changing from kind and shy to dictatorial and brazen as the power slowly corrupted her.

Re: Atsali Xmas 2014-12-26

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:33 am
by AmriloJim
Dave wrote:New obsession?

The legions of long-time late-evening Wapsi-addict zombies would beg to differ with you. :)
AmriloJim wrote:Sixteen : logic :: Ooh, shiny!

Our new Sunday night obsession: seeing the Monday comic on FB as early as 9pm Minneapolis time and spending the next three hours hitting F5 and chanting, "Open, open, open."
The new part is seeing Pablo's sneak peeks and having to wait for the new thread.

Re: Atsali Xmas 2014-12-26

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:38 am
by illiad
so where is opus??? fell asleep in his tent outside, 'cos the alarm did not go off??? :P

Re: Atsali Xmas 2014-12-26

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:06 am
by Grantwhy
Thor wrote:
AnotherFairportfan wrote:...and Nadette transferring her crush...
After spending the last three Atsali arcs establishing and emphasizing Nadette's crush on Atsali, Nadette should just toss all that aside and transfer all her build-up infatuation onto some random girl in a coffee shop that we've never seen before?

Sounds legit.
I still subscribe to the theory that Nadette wasn't immune to Atsali's song, just that she was able to resist it at the time because (being a seer) not all of Nadette was in the 'now' to be affected. That does (to my mind) leaves the door ajar for the Nadette NOT in the 'now' to be affected, which might explain her behaviour in recent strips/

Re: Atsali Xmas 2014-12-26

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:54 am
by scantrontb
Grantwhy wrote:
Thor wrote:
AnotherFairportfan wrote:...and Nadette transferring her crush...
After spending the last three Atsali arcs establishing and emphasizing Nadette's crush on Atsali, Nadette should just toss all that aside and transfer all her build-up infatuation onto some random girl in a coffee shop that we've never seen before?

Sounds legit.
I still subscribe to the theory that Nadette wasn't immune to Atsali's song, just that she was able to resist it at the time because (being a seer) not all of Nadette was in the 'now' to be affected. That does (to my mind) leaves the door ajar for the Nadette NOT in the 'now' to be affected, which might explain her behaviour in recent strips/
exactly... as the NOW (the time frame of her that WAS affected back on the beach) portions of her psyche "catch up" to the portions of her that were in the NOT-NOW (as a Seer, I'd expect them to be the future) we get to see it affect her more and more. and as a YOUNG Seer, I'll expect that her ability to "focus" on the future is limited to a relatively short time-frame. one that will expand as she gets older and more experienced AS a Seer. once she is fully "caught-up" to herself and the full effect FINALLY takes place, i expect a huge scandalous "but I love you... not HIM" kind of scene at the worst possible Rule-of-Funny moment...

Re: Atsali Xmas 2014-12-26

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:01 am
by Grantwhy
scantrontb wrote:exactly... as the NOW (the time frame of her that WAS affected back on the beach) portions of her psyche "catch up" to the portions of her that were in the NOT-NOW (as a Seer, I'd expect them to be the future) we get to see it affect her more and more. and as a YOUNG Seer, I'll expect that her ability to "focus" on the future is limited to a relatively short time-frame. one that will expand as she gets older and more experienced AS a Seer. once she is fully "caught-up" to herself and the full effect FINALLY takes place, i expect a huge scandalous "but I love you... not HIM" kind of scene at the worst possible Rule-of-Funny moment...
exactly.

In addition, I just had a random thought (before seeing the Happy New Year page).

Nadette as a seer should get visions/views of the future (and past), probably whether she wants to or not. There is also the possibility of something happening to a future Nadette that can affect the *now* Nadette.

What if, some time in the future, Atsali goes 'full siren' and/or loses self control ... and Nadette will be/is affected *then*. Either by being in the immediate vicinity or via vision - either in the *now* or in the *not now* (past and/or future .... seers must be fun to write for :p)

For anyone having trouble visualising the now/not-not thing, try watching this -->

.... all done?

...

... It won't help, but it's always a good time when I can make a relevant link to (a cookie to anyone who guessed) that movie :ugeek:

anyway ... :)

what I am trying to suggest is, the Nadette in the *now* might be 'suffering' from the effects of Atsali's 'siren song', just *not* necessarily the one from back on the island, and maybe a 'siren song' of much, much stronger power.

or not - guessing stuff on the internet is fun, no? :lol: