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Nadettte said: "Not all of me is in the now to be affected."

Hmmm!

Ditto to all the discussion above, but I don't think anybody keyed in on that line. Does Nadette have aspects of herself existing in the future (or past) as well? Future Nadette might be able to effect small changes that Past Nadette can see and report to Present Nadette that "It Worked! (or didn't)." Unchecked, Nadette could be the Uber Manipulator on this planet! Or -- maybe she already is.....

Catawampus wrote:Hmmm, is Berdine's eyeliner running from getting splashed with water, or is her face melting from the heat of passion and embarrassment?

My take on it: as others have just mentioned, they seem to be able to hold their shape quite well, without conscious thought, so it's unlikely she is "losing face"... The question is, then, do they use makeup, or do they simulate makeup? If they use makeup, they have to be sure they don't change form (Um, why is there eyeliner on your cheek?). On the other hand, she may be so good at shapeshifting, that she simulated the makeup, and is so good and consistent at it, that she even simulated running mascara, once she was in the water!

zachariah wrote:I'm just glad she doesn't talk in riddles. I hope Paul doesn't include Oracle type riddles into Nadette seer powers. That will make for endless discussions about what they mean. lol.

Speaking in riddles is required only when forcasting the future. If a seer gives you an exact statement of the future then it is locked in and can't be changed, so you better like what you heard. When they speak in riddles it means that the situation is fluid, the vision is blurred by multiple posibilities, and all they can suggest is a general direction to the better set of outcomes.

In the case of Calista she was looking at the past, everything is set and done and she can see clearly.

Catawampus wrote:Hmmm, is Berdine's eyeliner running from getting splashed with water, or is her face melting from the heat of passion and embarrassment?

She did a faceplant in the ocean yesterday...

Opus the Poet wrote:Just Yay! for the seer seeing immunity from Atsali's song for people that really care about her...

Which explains why Castela and Katherine appeared to be acting normally around her (given a paranormal's baseline of normality, that is) when she was singing in the past. Thus providing even more evidence that they both care greatly about her. Not that more evidence was actually needed, but it ought to give Atsali's ego a bit of an added bonus boost.

I suspect that like black magic (accto Randall Garrett), the Siren's Song is a matter of both method and intent.

kingklash wrote:Now's the time to restate the rule of No Shop Talk while on the Island. And get Big Sis a ice cold drink.

Two of the latter, because she needs to wear one.

My2Cents wrote:

zachariah wrote:I'm just glad she doesn't talk in riddles. I hope Paul doesn't include Oracle type riddles into Nadette seer powers. That will make for endless discussions about what they mean. lol.

Speaking in riddles is required only when forcasting the future. If a seer gives you an exact statement of the future then it is locked in and can't be changed, so you better like what you heard. When they speak in riddles it means that the situation is fluid, the vision is blurred by multiple posibilities, and all they can suggest is a general direction to the better set of outcomes.

In the case of Calista she was looking at the past, everything is set and done and she can see clearly.

About the past you are right, but Nadette did speak of the future as well. She did not say what would happen but she did tell Cricket the she needed them! That is clearly a warning that if Cricket continues without friends, more specifically them, she would come to a bad end. It wasn't a bald statement but it was there. So she was not only reading the past but the future as well. Seers almost never give answers, they give advice. Add tothis the fact that most seers do not have a lot of control when the sight takes them. Then can control whether it come active a bit, but if the sight will come when it comes. When it comes with strength it will overcome any attempts by the seer to repress it. Seers see what was, what is, and what can be. They just dislike giving direct answers as those can change what they see.

And big sis had to use a whole ocean because a cold shower just wasnt enough in this case. I keep hearing Trace Adkins "one hot mama" playing in the back ground.

Jay-Em wrote:"I'm...imma gonna hang out in the cool water for a bit!" Now thát was proper funny.. especially combined with her rather disheveled looks.

I know that feel all too well.
One evening while soaking in my above ground whirlpool/hot tub I was relaxing and talking to my wife and teenage step-daughter. I lean back and rest my head on the edge and close my eyes. I heard a slight thunk behind me and thought my step-daughter was going to whisper something in my ear. All of a sudden there is a tongue in ear (one of my "spots" if you know what I mean)--turns out it was the dog.

My brain went from soothing relaxation, to parental bliss, to maximum sexual stimulation, to panic, to embarrassment, to Eeewww dog slobber in 2.1 nanoseconds. My wife thought that was the funniest thing ever.

I think my exact words were "GAAGH UH-UH, UUH - DOY! OMIGOD WHAT WUSTHAT?!" or incomprehensible noises trying to impart that message

Atomic wrote:Nadettte said: "Not all of me is in the now to be affected."

Hmmm!

Ditto to all the discussion above, but I don't think anybody keyed in on that line. Does Nadette have aspects of herself existing in the future (or past) as well? Future Nadette might be able to effect small changes that Past Nadette can see and report to Present Nadette that "It Worked! (or didn't)." Unchecked, Nadette could be the Uber Manipulator on this planet! Or -- maybe she already is.....

Well if you're not where you're at when you're there, then you are nowhere, and as Nick Danger would say:
"How Can You Be in Two Places at Once When You're Not Anywhere at All"

meisdadoo wrote:

Atomic wrote:Nadettte said: "Not all of me is in the now to be affected."

Hmmm!

Ditto to all the discussion above, but I don't think anybody keyed in on that line. Does Nadette have aspects of herself existing in the future (or past) as well? Future Nadette might be able to effect small changes that Past Nadette can see and report to Present Nadette that "It Worked! (or didn't)." Unchecked, Nadette could be the Uber Manipulator on this planet! Or -- maybe she already is.....

Well if you're not where you're at when you're there, then you are nowhere, and as Nick Danger would say:
"How Can You Be in Two Places at Once When You're Not Anywhere at All"

Well, I've heard it said that we're all here because we aren't all there.

One point of interest for me is the "That almost got away from me," comment from Atsali. It isn't just the target that gets caught up in the song, apparently. There's a danger that if Atsali cranks up the Siren Song, she'll get carried along by it as well. From that comment, she came dangerously close to following through.

As it is, I think I can see why Sirens have the rep they have. Atsali is good, and would not willingly hurt anyone. But lord have mercy, does she have the means. And so would every other Siren. And all things considered, it's highly likely that a few of them took full advantage of their gifts and talents.

meisdadoo wrote:

Atomic wrote:Nadettte said: "Not all of me is in the now to be affected."

Hmmm!

Ditto to all the discussion above, but I don't think anybody keyed in on that line. Does Nadette have aspects of herself existing in the future (or past) as well? Future Nadette might be able to effect small changes that Past Nadette can see and report to Present Nadette that "It Worked! (or didn't)." Unchecked, Nadette could be the Uber Manipulator on this planet! Or -- maybe she already is.....

Well if you're not where you're at when you're there, then you are nowhere, and as Nick Danger would say:
"How Can You Be in Two Places at Once When You're Not Anywhere at All"

Unless you're Dr. Manhattan, who seems to have the opposite problem.

If I'm reading this correctly Nadette maintains a kind of entangled quantum state.
Part of her is here, but part of her is elsewhere/elsewhen, thus the odd resistance and vulnerability aspects to her environment.
And of course being in a quantum state the removed part of her is in every/no state until a point of information access is selected.
Interesting

sheik wrote:If I'm reading this correctly Nadette maintains a kind of entangled quantum state.
Part of her is here, but part of her is elsewhere/elsewhen, thus the odd resistance and vulnerability aspects to her environment.
And of course being in a quantum state the removed part of her is in every/no state until a point of information access is selected.
Interesting

Schrödinger's bear?

Y'know, I was going through the cast page, which is a pain to find someone in by the way since it goes by last name and I don't know everyone's last name. And I found it kinda weird that the twins don't have a last name revealed yet, yet mermaid Jessie got one her first appearance.

Boxilar wrote:One point of interest for me is the "That almost got away from me," comment from Atsali. It isn't just the target that gets caught up in the song, apparently. There's a danger that if Atsali cranks up the Siren Song, she'll get carried along by it as well.

I'm not sure whether Atsali means that she was directly affected by the experience... or whether she means that Berdine was so strongly affected that she would have "gone active" on Atsali in another few seconds, and started acting out her charmed attraction.

I think Atsali had intended Berdine to feel the compelling fascination and sexual attraction, but not actually act on it. Berdine might have gotten closer than Atsali had planned, to the "clinching, snogging, and tearing off swimsuits" stage of the relationship. Like I said, Atsali may have used more dynamite than was really required... she didn't yet really understand the strength of the charm she was able to throw onto another person.

I'm guessing that this was the case, because Atsali didn't seem to have any difficulty going right from "She wants me", to "I've just dropped her into the waves and started expounding". It doesn't look as if she had any real trouble "breaking the mood."

TheCollector wrote:Y'know, I was going through the cast page, which is a pain to find someone in by the way since it goes by last name and I don't know everyone's last name. And I found it kinda weird that the twins don't have a last name revealed yet, yet mermaid Jessie got one her first appearance.

Not necessarily a given that they have last names (although it does seem likely). There are a fair number of human cultures in which mononymous naming is still quite common.

TheCollector wrote:Y'know, I was going through the cast page, which is a pain to find someone in by the way since it goes by last name and I don't know everyone's last name. And I found it kinda weird that the twins don't have a last name revealed yet, yet mermaid Jessie got one her first appearance.

Well, the coach calls everyone by their last name - actually, i don't think Jessie had a first name for a couple of appearances.

sheik wrote:If I'm reading this correctly Nadette maintains a kind of entangled quantum state.
Part of her is here, but part of her is elsewhere/elsewhen, thus the odd resistance and vulnerability aspects to her environment.
And of course being in a quantum state the removed part of her is in every/no state until a point of information access is selected.
Interesting

That is going a bit far to explain what a seer is. I doubt she is in that state. She cannot see quantum after all. lol. What she does see is probably their auras and is able to see the changes in it from past events and tendencies for future events. It would be interesting to ask her what she sees around Monica.

Seeing timelines is a bit much to ask as the future is not set yet. The entire weave of time as it extends forward would be a huge mass of possibilities as everything that happens alters what can happen. This viewpoint is based on lack of destiny of course. If something is predestined to happen then nothing we do can change it. But it can be changed as the girls proved by succeeding to destroying the calendar. It took 57 tries but it was destroyed in the end.

AnotherFairportfan wrote:

Catawampus wrote:Hmmm, is Berdine's eyeliner running from getting splashed with water, or is her face melting from the heat of passion and embarrassment?

She did a faceplant in the ocean yesterday...

We know that... What Catawampus is asking is whether Berdine is wearing mascara, which is now running from having done said faceplant into the water, or whether she is simulating mascara and makeup, in the same manner in which they both simulate wearing clothes. If that is the case, then she is now simulating running mascara. Which is exactly why Catawampus is asking if Berdine's face is melting off...

AnotherFairportfan wrote:

TheCollector wrote:Y'know, I was going through the cast page, which is a pain to find someone in by the way since it goes by last name and I don't know everyone's last name. And I found it kinda weird that the twins don't have a last name revealed yet, yet mermaid Jessie got one her first appearance.

Well, the coach calls everyone by their last name - actually, i don't think Jessie had a first name for a couple of appearances.

She did, the second time she appeared (and split her swimsuit).