March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by Alkarii » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:09 am

Given how people who voted Democrat are celebrating in the streets, you'd think they were the side that was against most of the safety restrictions and all that.

Those who opposed lockdowns wore masks at their protests, and got blamed for a spike in cases. Does anyone want to bet that the Biden and Harris fans who are dancing in the streets won't be blamed for any spike in cases on the grounds that they're all wearing masks? Rioters and BLM protesters were considered to not be risking spreading anything, because they had masks. Lockdown protesters wore masks, yet, as I said earlier, they were still blamed for more cases. Clearly, it can only be spread by certain people based on their political leanings.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by Typeminer » Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:41 pm

I haven't heard about the lockdown protesters wearing masks. Around here, they were very pointedly not wearing masks.

Myself, I have not attended any rallies or protests or dancing in the streets, much as I'd like to. Because I believe in epidemiology, and the epidemic is getting worse, fast, worldwide. As was predicted by the epidemiologists.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by Alkarii » Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:19 pm

Those I had seen on video, where they had the armed protests (kinda odd how they didn't have any violence there), they were wearing facial coverings. I believe it was somewhere up north, but I can't really remember.

Unless, of course, those protestors were not uniformly wearing masks, in which case it's certainly possible to get pictures and videos that show conflicting imagery for the same event. If one person takes a picture where everyone is wearing a mask, and someone behind them is facing a completely different direction, the group of people they're seeing could all not be wearing masks.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by jwhouk » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:02 pm

Alkarii wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:09 am
Given how people who voted Democrat are celebrating in the streets, you'd think they were the side that was against most of the safety restrictions and all that.
Funny, but every video I've seen of people dancing in the streets, they were wearing masks.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by Alkarii » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:26 pm

I didn't say they weren't, and it doesn't matter anyway. If folks aren't allowed to sing in church while wearing masks, like in California, or businesses can only have so many people inside, regardless of whether or not they're wearing masks, then why is that same standard not being applied to Democrat voters? The fact that they're outside doesn't matter. From what I've seen, they're standing too close together.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by lake_wrangler » Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:18 am

Canada's mask standard evolves once again, apparently...


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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by Dave » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:17 pm

Updated CDC mask guidelines have just been released. The revisions are based on the results of multiple community studies in the US and elsewhere.

Summary: consistent universal mask wearing can cut the spread of COVID-19 by around 70%. This reflects spread in both directions: if you wear a mask, you're protecting other people from a COVID-19 infection that you might have, and you're protecting yourself significantly from other peoples' infections.

A couple of sentences in the latter part of the discussion are crucial:
Center For Disease Control wrote:An economic analysis using U.S. data found that, given these effects, increasing universal masking by 15% could prevent the need for lockdowns and reduce associated losses of up to $1 trillion or about 5% of gross domestic product....

... Adopting universal masking policies can help avert future lockdowns, especially if combined with other non-pharmaceutical interventions such as social distancing, hand hygiene, and adequate ventilation.
If you don't like lockdowns (and I imagine none of us do), the best way to avoid them and save lives is to wear a mask, respect social distancing, wash your hands, and avoid crowding in poorly-ventilated areas.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... -cov2.html

The article cites no less than 45 references. Feel free to download 'em and study the reports and research for yourself.

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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by Alkarii » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:59 pm

Yeah, I really don't understand why people have such a hard time keeping their distance from anyone else. The only thing about this that I have to do that I wasn't already doing is wearing a mask (up until they made a mask mandate for the whole state), and I have to do that while at work, including when I'm making my deliveries.

Just glad I don't have to wear it while driving, because that would be stupid as hell.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by lake_wrangler » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:56 pm

We were already obligated to wear masks when entering public buildings and businesses, and as of the beginning of September, when taking public transit, taxis, Ubers, or even carpooling.

But they still imposed new lockdowns on us when the "cases" upticked...

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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by Alkarii » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:44 am

lake_wrangler wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:56 pm
We were already obligated to wear masks when entering public buildings and businesses, and as of the beginning of September, when taking public transit, taxis, Ubers, or even carpooling.

But they still imposed new lockdowns on us when the "cases" upticked...
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by TazManiac » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:27 pm

Wrangler, from the last pages post- appreciated. We need to be able to be heard without fearing the reception. One of the basic frustrations of mine, from way back when, is being understood...

That said, here is a link to an article in the L.A. Times;. https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ep-working

San Francisco, long hailed for beating COVID-19, now faces a spike in cases

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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by AnotherFairportfan » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:56 pm


So many counties in Wisconsin have exceeded the highest classification for COVID-19 case surges that the state’s Department of Health Services was forced to create a whole new category.

“Far too many of our communities are in a dire situation,” DHS Deputy Secretary Julie Willems Van Dijk has said. “To put these new data in perspective, Wisconsin is now seeing more average cases per day than New York City did at the peak of its surge last spring.”

The previous top category, “Very High,” included counties that had exceeded 350 cases per 100,000 residents over a two-week period. As of this week, every single one of the state’s 72 counties had more than doubled that metric. “Because of these critically high levels of disease, public health can no longer adequately contact trace, hospital beds are filled with patients with COVID-19, and too many Wisconsin families are losing loved ones to this virus,” Willems Van Dihk said.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by AnotherFairportfan » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:31 pm


A passenger tested positive for COVID-19 Wednesday on SeaDream Yacht Club’s SeaDream 1, the first cruise in the Caribbean since March, sending crew and passengers scrambling to isolate, according to The Points Guy. Reporter Gene Sloan, who is aboard the ship, said SeaDream’s protocol required its 53 passengers to test negative for COVID-19 twice, one several days before boarding and again on boarding day. The ship’s captain told passengers that the infected person had felt ill before the test, and the crew was now assuming that it had one or more positive cases on board. Passengers were set to be tested a third time on Wednesday using rapid test machines, which can be less accurate than PCR tests.

The captain said the ship would immediately return to Barbados, bringing an end to the cruise. It had visited St. Vincent and the Grenadine islands of Canouan and Tobago Cays, but had not come into contact with any locals. Barbadian health authorities were set to board the ship to test passengers and crew as of Wednesday, with the possibility of testing being deferred to Thursday morning.
{original story at The Points Guy}
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by AnotherFairportfan » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:05 pm


More than 130 Secret Service officers who help protect the White House and the president when he travels have recently been ordered to isolate or quarantine because they tested positive for the coronavirus or had close contact with infected co-workers, according to three people familiar with agency staffing.
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The spread of the coronavirus — which has sidelined roughly 10 percent of the agency’s core security team — is believed to be partly linked to a series of campaign rallies that President Trump held in the weeks before the Nov. 3 election, according to the people, who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the situation.
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by lake_wrangler » Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:05 am

I'm not trying to prompt a discussion on the accuracy of the statement below (although I do think that's a fair probability), but rather I am amused by the imagery the statement uses for an analogy...

I have now heard this said in a number of Rebel News videos (though I forget the exact wording):
"Trying to stop the coronavirus with a face mask is like trying to stop a pea with a chain-link fence."

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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by Dave » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:09 pm

lake_wrangler wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:05 am
I'm not trying to prompt a discussion on the accuracy of the statement below (although I do think that's a fair probability), but rather I am amused by the imagery the statement uses for an analogy...

I have now heard this said in a number of Rebel News videos (though I forget the exact wording):
"Trying to stop the coronavirus with a face mask is like trying to stop a pea with a chain-link fence."
It's one of those sort of sound-bites which is pithy, catchy, seems to be clever and meaningful and a "win"...

... and is largely irrelevant to the actual situation, and (based on actual evidence) implies something which is wrong-in-practice and which is going to end up killing people.

The reason it's largely irrelevant (even if "true in theory") is that the coronavirus is usually not spread by individual viruses (which are, it's true, too small to be filtered out by a face mask).

COVID-19 is spread primarily by droplets of fluid (coughed or sneezed or spoken or just exhaled) which contain large numbers of virus particles clumped together. These droplets are much, much larger than individual viruses... in many cases they're large enough to see. Masks do a good job at stopping these - not a perfect job, but a good enough job to cut down the infection rate by quite a lot.

So, what this slogan implies is sorta-true, but irrelevant to the actual situation we are facing.

A more accurate analogy would be "Trying to stop the coronavirus with a face mask is like trying to use a chain-link fence to block baseballs and basketballs that have a bunch of peas stuck to them." Yeah, the occasional pea may get through, but most are blocked.

The evidence that masks work against coronavirus spread isn't just theoretical. The CDC's recent update to their recommendations cites at least 7 epidemiological studies done this year which show that universal masking cuts the infection rate.

Cute little sound bites like this... well, I think they just give people a cheap and comforting excuse for not looking at the facts. They're the sugar-laden junk food of understanding.

Sorry if that stings, but that's how I see it.

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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by lake_wrangler » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:55 pm

Like I said, whether it's true or not, I still like the imagery of the analogy. I find it amusing. That is all.

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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by Alkarii » Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:10 pm

How long until we see someone in a sitcom popping someone's mask like a bra strap?
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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by lake_wrangler » Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:09 pm

And now, for some levity... :D










































And now, for a different kind of virus alert...



There are more, and I'm sifting through them, but I want to make sure to post these, so I don't accidentally lose them. I'll post more in a following post.

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Re: March 12, 2020 (aka COVID-19 thread)

Post by Atomic » Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:32 pm

Applause, applause! You're doing great work here.
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