Not Mama 2016-02-08
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- Jabberwonky
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Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
Get one of these and put a gun in it's hand...
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Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
“Beloved author Atsali Gilchrist's debut effort, the acclaimed If You Give a Whatsit What-For, was a resounding success with elder siblings the world over.”
- AnotherFairportfan
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Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
Sadly, she couldn't use that title - "If You Give a ..." is a trademark. (NOT copyrighted, BTW - which means it's trademarked as long as someone renews it, unlike copyright, which eventually expires.)Catawampus wrote:“Beloved author Atsali Gilchrist's debut effort, the acclaimed If You Give a Whatsit What-For, was a resounding success with elder siblings the world over.”
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- Gyrrakavian
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Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
Sadly, the copyright now lasts far longer than it ever should have. Thanks Disney.AnotherFairportfan wrote:Sadly, she couldn't use that title - "If You Give a ..." is a trademark. (NOT copyrighted, BTW - which means it's trademarked as long as someone renews it, unlike copyright, which eventually expires.)Catawampus wrote:“Beloved author Atsali Gilchrist's debut effort, the acclaimed If You Give a Whatsit What-For, was a resounding success with elder siblings the world over.”
Though it was nice to see th@t bite them in the ass for the wicked witch's design at the end of Oz the Great and Powerful.
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Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
It's just evidence that we have the best Congress that money can buy!Gyrrakavian wrote:Sadly, the copyright now lasts far longer than it ever should have. Thanks Disney.
Though it was nice to see th@t bite them in the ass for the wicked witch's design at the end of Oz the Great and Powerful.
On the bright side, though, we can at least sing Happy Birthday without being shaken down for royalties.
- AnotherFairportfan
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Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
That's not copyright. That's trademark/service mark.Gyrrakavian wrote:Sadly, the copyright now lasts far longer than it ever should have. Thanks Disney.AnotherFairportfan wrote:Sadly, she couldn't use that title - "If You Give a ..." is a trademark. (NOT copyrighted, BTW - which means it's trademarked as long as someone renews it, unlike copyright, which eventually expires.)Catawampus wrote:“Beloved author Atsali Gilchrist's debut effort, the acclaimed If You Give a Whatsit What-For, was a resounding success with elder siblings the world over.”
Though it was nice to see th@t bite them in the ass for the wicked witch's design at the end of Oz the Great and Powerful.
Though the film is in copyright - however, that's not really Disney's doing - that's due to the US accepting the terms of the Berne Convention, and the corporation being accepted as the "author" of the work.
Speaking as the brother of a popular creator of Intellectual Property, i have to say that current copyright terms are a Good Thing in the case of works created by Real People, who have children and grandchildren they need to provide for.
Proof Positive the world is not flat: If it were, cats would have pushed everything off the edge by now.
Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
It can be overdone though... as the melancholy elephants reveal.Speaking as the brother of a popular creator of Intellectual Property, i have to say that current copyright terms are a Good Thing in the case of works created by Real People, who have children and grandchildren they need to provide for.
- AnotherFairportfan
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Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
When did Spider write that? The mention of a "Copyright Office" that rejects applications for copyright is counterfactual, and has been for quite a long time.Warrl wrote:It can be overdone though... as the melancholy elephants reveal.Speaking as the brother of a popular creator of Intellectual Property, i have to say that current copyright terms are a Good Thing in the case of works created by Real People, who have children and grandchildren they need to provide for.
The only reason to register a copyright these days is that if you don't, it's harder to prove that you created it and just when you did.
It used to be that if you didn't properly register your work, it wasn't copyrighted - which is why, for years, the original "Star Trek" episodes were Public Domain (though it was still illegal to create new material using the characters or settings - trademark vs. copyright again). These days, copyright automatically exists in a work from the moment of its completion, no registration required.
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Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
Well, he mentions in the intro that it won a Hugo in 1983, so 1982-1983 for the original publication date would be a good estimate. He also mentions that it was two years before the first Macintosh was sold, which was in 1984, so again 1982 is indicated.AnotherFairportfan wrote:When did Spider write that?Warrl wrote:It can be overdone though... as the melancholy elephants reveal.Speaking as the brother of a popular creator of Intellectual Property, i have to say that current copyright terms are a Good Thing in the case of works created by Real People, who have children and grandchildren they need to provide for.
You did notice that it's a fictional story? It's certainly plausible that a copyright office would work like a patent office, screening to avoid issuing new patents/copyrights on old material/technology, when all records are electronically searchable. We currently have no such system, it's up to copyright holders to police for plagiarism, but there's no reason the system couldn't exist in the future.The mention of a "Copyright Office" that rejects applications for copyright is counterfactual, and has been for quite a long time.
And if that is combined with excessively long copyrights, the only sane response is to publish Dvorak's tweets*.
* that particular bit of story runs 6-7 pages, link is to the first
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Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
You know what? I don't think you've been getting your money's worth, in the last seven years...Dave wrote:It's just evidence that we have the best Congress that money can buy!Gyrrakavian wrote:Sadly, the copyright now lasts far longer than it ever should have. Thanks Disney.
Though it was nice to see th@t bite them in the ass for the wicked witch's design at the end of Oz the Great and Powerful.


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Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
Agreed.lake_wrangler wrote:You know what? I don't think you've been getting your money's worth, in the last seven years...Dave wrote:It's just evidence that we have the best Congress that money can buy!Gyrrakavian wrote:Sadly, the copyright now lasts far longer than it ever should have. Thanks Disney.
Though it was nice to see th@t bite them in the ass for the wicked witch's design at the end of Oz the Great and Powerful.![]()
Disney is one of the biggest proponents of coyriggt and trademark extension. It's why they support the TPP (tras Pacific Partnership)..
"Occam's razor is a fine thing, but the universe is a Rube-Goldberg machine."
Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
For which we are duly grateful . . .lake_wrangler wrote:You know what? I don't think you've been getting your money's worth, in the last seven years...Dave wrote:It's just evidence that we have the best Congress that money can buy!Gyrrakavian wrote:Sadly, the copyright now lasts far longer than it ever should have. Thanks Disney.
Though it was nice to see th@t bite them in the ass for the wicked witch's design at the end of Oz the Great and Powerful.![]()
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Re: Not Mama 2016-02-08
Far longer than that. We've been paying twice what we ought to be paying, and Congress has still run up massive debt and other liabilities. Which THEY will never have to pay or suffer the consequences of not paying - WE will.lake_wrangler wrote:You know what? I don't think you've been getting your money's worth, in the last seven years...Dave wrote:It's just evidence that we have the best Congress that money can buy!Gyrrakavian wrote:Sadly, the copyright now lasts far longer than it ever should have. Thanks Disney.
Though it was nice to see th@t bite them in the ass for the wicked witch's design at the end of Oz the Great and Powerful.![]()