After this summer, I can relate to the feeling.NOTDilbert wrote:there's a swimming pool in Jet's head?
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Guidance reminds me of C-3PO. Not likely what Paul intended, but that's the impression I get.
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I think I get it. Unlike Brandi's occupant, which was ancient and wise enough to stay hidden, the Tar has been around for less than 20 years, having been created at the plane crash. It hasn't learned to moderate its behavior to avoid detection. You might say this Tar is a New Gooey.
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I dunno. We know that M is inside the space that Jet's covey resides in, but I don't think that necessarily means that Jet's soul has passed on. The impression I got from when Shelly and Connie were talking about the coven/covey distinction is that 'covey' is the term that gets used to refer to any team of demons assigned to a person, regardless of whether a soul is present or absent. A ship can have rats regardless of whether or not it has a captain, to borrow Tina's favorite metaphor.DilyV wrote:Covey of demons... Called it!!! Here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1189#p23312
Now that we know that Jet is another covey of demons, we need to figure out if Jet is still in there at all or if she'd given up the ship to the rats so to speak. My mind keeps going back to what Tina said about Jet's sister, covered in blood, but not her own blood... I can't shake the feeling that it was Jet's blood... the majority of it anyway... and that Jet either died and the rats took over, or she wanted to die and just gave up control to her demons.
We also need to figure out if she is the 'other' that Phix mentioned that was like Tina.
So, Monica and the Tar are outsiders in this closed system. The tar does seem Nu Gui like, doesn't it? But we know that the Nu.... gui... Wait a minute... hold the phone... A nu gui is formed from the soul of an innocent that is killed under violent circumstances. The nu gui isn't ready to move on... so it manifests as a malevolent entity... it can't be the nu gui we've already seen... that one never made contact with Jet OR Monica... so this has to be something created in that plane crash or picked up along the way somehow... According to Anger and Guidance, the Tar doesn't belong... they don't say how long it's been there or if it came in with Monica. I'm still leaning towards the Tar being all the emotions of greed, lust, want, need... manifesting into a malevolent entity somehow, similar to the nu gui.
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I wonder if the 'Tar' might be related to Armus?
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"The Tar" may be something Jet has flirted with, but never really wanted to hold on to...Sidhekin wrote:The Tar is not supposed to be "in" there. No demon, apparently.
I'm considering the possibility, as first (I believe) noted by scantrontb, of the Nu-Gui branching out. Occam's Razor doesn't apply well to fiction, though ...
Oh.
OH.
Please rewind back to here for a moment - last panel... Tina mentioned briefly "oh, your parents were killed in a plane crash and you got the blood all over you."
Someone else looked awfully murky and inky when THEY burst onto the scene - right after someone else said "Sweetie, you threw yourself in front of a bus."
I bet that, if "Tar" could speak, it would say it was one of Tsillah's evil twins.
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Yeah, I think it's too early to say one way or the other. If she is just a covey of demons, why doesn't she know it like Tina does? OTOH, like Tina's demons, Georgette's demons seem to be pretty nice, unlike Monica's or Jin's demons. As I see it, we don't have her soul handling this situation because the soul doesn't reside in Demon (or Covey, whatever) Space. It's probably blissfully unaware of it all. Further clarification is needed.ActionKermit wrote:I dunno. We know that M is inside the space that Jet's covey resides in, but I don't think that necessarily means that Jet's soul has passed on. The impression I got from when Shelly and Connie were talking about the coven/covey distinction is that 'covey' is the term that gets used to refer to any team of demons assigned to a person, regardless of whether a soul is present or absent. A ship can have rats regardless of whether or not it has a captain, to borrow Tina's favorite metaphor.
One thing that seems to be clear at the moment; Monica is not physically in this place and probably only metaphysically there due to her Jaguar abilities. The Demon/Covey Realm seems to be a physical place with physical beings given that Nudge and Maya were in there. Plus the demons themselves seem to have both physical and metaphysical properties. At the very least they are able to change their shape, or at least appear to, at will.
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Oh, I'm sure she has plenty of emotional scope and range in her communications.txmystic wrote:Anger sounds angry...I suppose she can't sound any other way.
- Angry.
- Furious.
- Mildly irritated.
- Thoroughly pissed off.
- 'Roid ragin'
- Slightly miffed.
- Steamed.
- Homicidally amok.
We know that Georgette has a covey of demons. From the discussions in the strip about demons some years ago, I have the impression that this is true of most humans, and perhaps even all humans. They're "locked in" (Tina's term) and don't manifest to their human as individual entities... just as psychological pressures and influences and emotional states (and torments, in extreme cases).DilyV wrote:Covey of demons... Called it!!! Here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1189#p23312
Now that we know that Jet is another covey of demons, we need to figure out if Jet is still in there at all or if she'd given up the ship to the rats so to speak.
This would be consistent with Guidance's comment that they never get visitors, and Anger's question about how Monica got into wherever they are. This covey is used to being in isolation within Georgette... and this, to me, seems inconsistent with the idea that Georgette herself is dead/gone and that these demons are "running the ship."
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I hope Monica liked the ending of, "The Sixth Sense," when the kid decides he's going to help dead people move on because it looks like as the Demon Shepard, she's going to have a similar occupation - maybe not exactly the same, but she'll be dealing with supernatural entities as one of the few who can interact with them in their environment, getting them to play nicely or maybe having to take one out.
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Demon Realm - Physical dimension where demons come from.
Covey-space - Non-physical mental "space" inside/attached to the mind of the demons' host.
Am I close?
Covey-space - Non-physical mental "space" inside/attached to the mind of the demons' host.
Am I close?
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Spot on I'd say.Aleister Crow wrote:Demon Realm - Physical dimension where demons come from.
Covey-space - Non-physical mental "space" inside/attached to the mind of the demons' host.
Am I close?
Also, notice how similar the background in Covey-Space looks to Tsillah's shadow clothing that she conjured up for Shelly and Justin.
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I think I like Anger. She makes me giggle. I'd definitely be interested to see what other demons Jet has tucked away in mer mind.
Also...definitely intrigued by the whole "The Tar doesn't belong here" revelation. This looks like it could get really interesting. I'm not sure where I stand on some of the theories you all are putting forth right now, but it all seems pretty plausible (for the time being at least ).
Also...definitely intrigued by the whole "The Tar doesn't belong here" revelation. This looks like it could get really interesting. I'm not sure where I stand on some of the theories you all are putting forth right now, but it all seems pretty plausible (for the time being at least ).
Not necessarily. Jet has a covey of demons. It would be fair to say that a lot of humans (if not all of them) have a covey of demons. What else would you call the collection of demons inside Monica? A group that isn't a covey? I think "covey" is just the term for a group...like a flock of birds or a herd of cattle...I don't think it means anything more or even is intended to imply status akin to Tina's situation. (And apparently Action Kermit and a few others beat me to this distinction. )DilyV wrote:Covey of demons... Called it!!! Here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1189#p23312
Now that we know that Jet is another covey of demons, we need to figure out if Jet is still in there at all or if she'd given up the ship to the rats so to speak. My mind keeps going back to what Tina said about Jet's sister, covered in blood, but not her own blood... I can't shake the feeling that it was Jet's blood... the majority of it anyway... and that Jet either died and the rats took over, or she wanted to die and just gave up control to her demons.
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Seems right.Aleister Crow wrote:Demon Realm - Physical dimension where demons come from.
Covey-space - Non-physical mental "space" inside/attached to the mind of the demons' host.
Am I close?
Coveys of California quail are well-known for taking daily communal dust baths... they burrow into soft soil in a sunny spot, stir up the dust and fluff it all about. Georgette's covey is being portrayed in an environment that resembles a dust storm. Is this coincidence, or is Georgette related to J. Danforth Quayle?
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Judging from the times we've seen Tsillah in shadow form, like here: http://wapsisquare.com/comic/together/ you may be right.jwhouk wrote:"The Tar" may be something Jet has flirted with, but never really wanted to hold on to...Sidhekin wrote:The Tar is not supposed to be "in" there. No demon, apparently.
I'm considering the possibility, as first (I believe) noted by scantrontb, of the Nu-Gui branching out. Occam's Razor doesn't apply well to fiction, though ...
Oh.
OH.
Please rewind back to here for a moment - last panel... Tina mentioned briefly "oh, your parents were killed in a plane crash and you got the blood all over you."
Someone else looked awfully murky and inky when THEY burst onto the scene - right after someone else said "Sweetie, you threw yourself in front of a bus."
I bet that, if "Tar" could speak, it would say it was one of Tsillah's evil twins.
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I'm enjoying everyone's comments. This arc has kept me spinning from the start, so I don't have much to say other than I'm over in the corner drinking coffee and listening to the conversations.
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Geee. I think I just managed to create a new term for the forum. Covey-Space, (CSpace for short). LOL. First time I've done that.DilyV wrote:Spot on I'd say.Aleister Crow wrote:Demon Realm - Physical dimension where demons come from.
Covey-space - Non-physical mental "space" inside/attached to the mind of the demons' host.
Am I close?
Also, notice how similar the background in Covey-Space looks to Tsillah's shadow clothing that she conjured up for Shelly and Justin.
I think it's also a good bet the demon doorway is in this space as well. Each person has their own inviolate CSpace to hold their demons and the portal. It's supposed to be safe from anything else entering it. This almost has to involve Monica's abilities to work with demon's, and cross over. She has the ability to travel to, and affect, other realms, or levels, of existance.
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I would REALLY like to know WTF is going on outside Jet's head right now.
Is M just catatonic out there, or what?
Is M just catatonic out there, or what?
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Well.. monica, let see how deep this demon covey goes...
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So, the Tar might be post-traumatic stress disorder?NOTDilbert wrote:Ya know, clotting blood is kinda black and tarry, like you see on plane crash victims....Can a mental image be so strong that it takes on an existence of it's own?
*edit* PS - there's a swimming pool in Jet's head?
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Close, very close... but no cigar.bmonk wrote:So, the Tar might be post-traumatic stress disorder?
Georgette is a supermodel. She succeeded in her career after surviving a terrible airplane crash as a child.
Have you seen some of those horrid creations that models have to wear, and make look attractive?
It's obvious. The Tar is a personification of Georgette's post-traumatic dress disorder.
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Hmmm.. I dunno.. There's something about the background. I see water, I see snow.
Did Jet's parent's plane crash in winter, was it a water plane of some kind?
This may sound odd, but I have the distinct feeling that Jet has not dealt with her loss, but had it locked inside, kindof "frozen in time". Especially her rather severe & uncontrolled reaction to Tina's prying makes me feel that it has festered into something bad --> the Tar...
*shrugs* i've been quite consistently wrong afa Wapsisquare's complex characters go, so, we'll see hów far I am out this time..
Did Jet's parent's plane crash in winter, was it a water plane of some kind?
This may sound odd, but I have the distinct feeling that Jet has not dealt with her loss, but had it locked inside, kindof "frozen in time". Especially her rather severe & uncontrolled reaction to Tina's prying makes me feel that it has festered into something bad --> the Tar...
*shrugs* i've been quite consistently wrong afa Wapsisquare's complex characters go, so, we'll see hów far I am out this time..
but, why 42?
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