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Re: Vote.

Post by Atomic » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:28 am

Ballots in suitcases, counted after observers were told to leave.

Video from Georgia polling place.

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Re: Vote.

Post by AnotherFairportfan » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:59 am

lake_wrangler wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:10 pm
Dave wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:06 pm
A bunch of the more far-out claims made by Trump and some of his supporters are versions of what I call the Great Conspiratorial Thesis. It amounts to something along the lines of "There was a massive conspiracy. It's obvious it happened. But, it was done, and covered up with such skill and subtlety that there's no actual evidence of it. The very lack of evidence proves that a conspiracy existed. Anyone who argues that there wasn't a conspiracy is a tool of the conspiracy."

You can "prove" any sort of wild claims with this kind of argument. You can use this argument to try to excuse any defeat.
Thanks for the laugh. I had not heard of that concept. Reading about it made me actually laugh out loud (as opposed to people who claim "LOL", but don't actually laugh...)
It was very popular with Bill Clinton's detractors...
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Re: Vote.

Post by lake_wrangler » Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:44 am

Atomic wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:28 am
Ballots in suitcases, counted after observers were told to leave.

Video from Georgia polling place.

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Not surprisingly, Twitter marked that post with a "This claim about election fraud is disputed"... :roll:


It's like they say, I guess: "Who are you going to believe? Me, or your own eyes?" :lol:

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Post by Atomic » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:52 pm

Those weren't ballots in those suitcases, the poll workers were moonlighting for GrubHub and scanning menus for their field drivers to receive by fax. Amazing how many restaurants are using their services, eh?
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Post by jwhouk » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:53 pm

lake_wrangler wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:44 am
Atomic wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:28 am
Ballots in suitcases, counted after observers were told to leave.

Video from Georgia polling place.

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Not surprisingly, Twitter marked that post with a "This claim about election fraud is disputed"... :roll:


It's like they say, I guess: "Who are you going to believe? Me, or your own eyes?" :lol:
In the age of deepfakes and photoshops? Neither.
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Post by AnotherFairportfan » Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:38 pm

A Michigan pastor has encouraged his congregation to contract the deadly coronavirus surging across the state so they can just “get it over with.” Bart Spencer, a senior pastor at Lighthouse Baptist Church in Holland, made the stunning suggestion during a Nov. 14 sermon. “COVID, it’s all good. It’s OK. Get it, get it over with, press on,” he said. More than 9,500 residents in Michigan have died from COVID-19, and Ottawa County, which includes Holland, has a 16.6 percent positive rate.

Speaking to reporters, Spencer doubled down on his bonkers suggestion, saying he and several members of his family got COVID-19 and recovered. “It’s not fun,” he said. “I lost my sense of taste and smell, but my bout with the flu was worse.”

Lighthouse Baptist Church is still holding in-person services without masks or social distancing mandates. “We trust our people to make their own decisions,” Spencer said.
Meanwhile, on the left coast:
A California pastor has died from COVID-19, five weeks after his megachurch reopened in defiance of the state’s ban on indoor religious services.

Bob Bryant, a 58-year-old associate pastor at the Water of Life Community Church in San Bernardino County, contracted the virus in November and eventually suffered severe pneumonia in his lungs, the Los Angeles Times reports.

San Bernardino is one of the hardest hit regions in a state struggling to contain a vicious winter wave of the virus. But the church nevertheless ignored a mid-July order banning indoor church services.

Church officials insisted to the Times that Byrant didn’t come to church after he developed symptoms but they weren’t sure when the pastor was last in the church.
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Re: Vote.

Post by AnotherFairportfan » Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:47 pm

{oops. wrong thread}
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Re: Vote.

Post by lake_wrangler » Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:40 pm

lake_wrangler wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:44 am
Atomic wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:28 am
Ballots in suitcases, counted after observers were told to leave.

Video from Georgia polling place.

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Not surprisingly, Twitter marked that post with a "This claim about election fraud is disputed"... :roll:


It's like they say, I guess: "Who are you going to believe? Me, or your own eyes?" :lol:
By the way... at this point, things like this don't count as "human error" anymore... that's deliberate mischief!



And from Townhall.com:
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Re: Vote.

Post by lake_wrangler » Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:48 pm

Meanwhile, here's a scary thought:


WATCH: Biden's Disturbing Answer on How He'll Resolve Fundamental Differences With Kamala Harris

tl/dr: the left won't even have to wait until he actually gets incapacitated to swoop in (with Kamala Harris at the head) and institute their radical policies... if they disagree too much, or on a fundamental level, he'll step down himself, claiming illness...

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Re: Vote.

Post by lake_wrangler » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:34 pm

While this "proves" nothing, it's still an interesting factoid...


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Re: Vote.

Post by lake_wrangler » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:43 pm

I haad asked this not long ago, and many here had responded (thank you all who did). Here are more thoughts on the subject:


What Happens Next?! (If The Election is Invalidated)
(Yes, I know, that's a big IF...)


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Re: Vote.

Post by lake_wrangler » Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:34 pm

And now, some levity...

I don't agree with everything he says, but I still find him funny...


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Re: Vote.

Post by AnotherFairportfan » Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:33 pm

Surveillance Tape Of Vote Counting Breeding False Fraud Claims In Georgia
State officials said the president’s team is “intentionally misleading the public about what happened at State Farm Arena on election night.”
Surveillance footage of ballot processing on election night in Atlanta is fueling a false social media narrative of “suitcases filled with ballots” hidden under a cloth-covered table and tallied without supervision, even as top state officials confirm election workers followed standard procedure.

The video showed regular ballot containers on wheels — not suitcases — and both a state investigator and an independent monitor observed counting until it was done for the night, finding no evidence of improper ballots, state and county officials said on Friday.

That hasn’t stopped President Donald Trump, his campaign, his lawyers and his supporters from sharing the video with false fraud accusations in a spate of Facebook and Twitter posts that have racked up millions of views in less than 24 hours.

Here’s a look at the facts around this viral video:

CLAIM: Poll workers and partisan observers were told to leave Atlanta’s State Farm Arena on election night, but four election workers stayed behind, pulled suitcases full of ballots out from under a table, and scanned them after hours without any supervision.

THE FACTS: The video doesn’t show evidence of fraud, much less the “SMOKING GUN” evidence that Trump’s legal team claims on social media.

No one told observers they had to leave, and both an independent monitor and an investigator oversaw the vote count, according to state and county officials. Confusion arose when election workers thought they were done for the night, but then were instructed to continue scanning ballots. But investigators who reviewed the entire surveillance tape confirmed it showed “normal ballot processing,” according to Gabriel Sterling, a top official in the secretary of state’s office.

The video, which shows clips of surveillance footage from a room where ballots were counted, began gaining traction online on Thursday after volunteer Trump attorney Jackie Pick presented it for state senators during a hearing at the state Capitol.

Pick claimed it showed a staff member telling partisan observers to leave the facility for the night about 10:30 p.m. After observers were “cleared out,” she said, four election workers stayed behind, pulled suitcases of ballots out from underneath a table, and counted them for two hours with no witnesses present.

Fulton County Elections Director Richard Barron refuted those claims on Friday, saying in a public meeting that no observers were ever told to leave the facility.

According to Barron, staff members who had been opening and flattening ballots for scanning started leaving the facility as their duties concluded.

Other election workers started to pack up, Sterling told The Associated Press in an interview. They put prepared ballots back in boxes and away under a table “to close out for the night.” Members of the media and Republican observers began to leave the building too.

Then, the supervisor onsite got a call from Barron, who instructed the team to continue scanning the ballots that had already been prepared. They pulled the same boxes of ballots back out, and resumed scanning, Sterling said.

“These aren’t magical ballots,” Sterling told the AP. “They didn’t show up out of some other room.”

Georgia law § 21-2-408 permits observers to stay in the room the whole time, but doesn’t require it for counting to take place.

After a short period when observers weren’t present, an independent state election board monitor arrived to oversee the scanning at 11:52 p.m., Barron said. A state investigator arrived at 12:15 a.m. Both individuals remained at the facility until the count concluded for the night, he said.

The Georgia secretary of state’s office said it was aware of the late-night counting, and confirmed that both its investigator and an independent monitor observed scanning “until it was halted for the night.”

The office said it had launched an investigation into why partisan poll observers left before scanning ended.

The president’s team is “intentionally misleading the public about what happened at State Farm Arena on election night,” Sterling tweeted Friday. “They had the whole video too and ignored the truth.”
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Re: Vote.

Post by TazManiac » Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:08 am

I present a link to a former President's last Press Briefing.



I was never a fan of the 2nd Mr. Bush, but even _he_ was not acting like the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

On behalf of my fellow countrymen ( gender nonspecific), I apologise for our current Head of State.

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Re: Vote.

Post by lake_wrangler » Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:21 am

Despite the video title, this is a decent update on what is happening with the various challenges to the election.



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Re: Vote.

Post by lake_wrangler » Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:52 pm

To anyone who has been saying "sure, they claim there was fraud, but where's the proof", here is some for you.



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Re: Vote.

Post by AnotherFairportfan » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:06 am

A Donald Trump supporter who gave bizarre and discredited testimony about voter fraud in Detroit was recently released from probation after being accused of sending pornographic videos to her fiance’s ex-wife and framing the woman for stealing them, HuffPost has learned.

Mellissa Carone, a contract information technology worker for a voting systems company, made sweeping allegations about mass voter fraud when she testified in hearings before the Michigan Senate and House last week.

She was previously charged under the name Mellissa Wright with first degree obscenity and using a computer to commit a crime. Under a plea agreement, she reduced her charge to disorderly conduct and received 12 months of probation, a spokeswoman for the Wayne County, Michigan, prosecutor’s office told HuffPost. Her probation ended on Sept. 13, just weeks before Election Day, when a temporary staffing agency employed Carone to assist Dominion Voting Systems in Detroit.

But Carone, in an interview with HuffPost on Saturday, claimed that it was actually her fiance, Matthew Stackpoole, who sent the explicit videos to his ex-wife and that she took a plea deal only because they didn’t want to spend any more time in court. Stackpoole also admitted to HuffPost in a text message that he sent the videos and suggested that police officers knew he had done so when officers “took [Carone’s] official ‘confession.’”

“The reason I got charged for it is it was sent off of my phone,” Carone, a self-proclaimed cybersecurity analyst, told HuffPost. “I just said screw it, I’m going to have to take it.”

Carone’s alleged computer crime and false accusations about hacking are directly relevant to her credibility.

The Trump campaign and the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, put Carone forward, presented her as a credible witness and asked state legislators to disenfranchise millions of Michigan voters and declare Trump the winner of Michigan’s electoral votes based in large part on Carone’s claims.

“There is no rule that people coming off probation are incredible as a matter of law,” Giuliani texted HuffPost when asked about Carone’s credibility. “I don’t know her circumstances, but her testimony is corroborated by other witnesses, documentary evidence and expert testimony.” Giuliani also took the opportunity to point out that Hunter Biden used cocaine.

Stackpoole’s ex-wife, the target of the pair’s wrath, provided HuffPost with a prosecutor’s letter naming her as Carone’s victim, and her former attorney corroborated her story. She told HuffPost that the couple had torn her life apart. (HuffPost is not identifying the ex-wife out of concern for the privacy of Stackpoole’s minor son.)

Explicit videos featuring Carone and Stackpoole came from an address with the ex-wife’s maiden name on it, which Stackpoole’s ex-wife believes Carone set up. Stackpoole, according to police records, claimed his ex-wife unlawfully accessed his account, a false allegation that Carone also made.

Carone later denied to police that she sent the videos but then confessed she did send them, adding that she wanted to send her boyfriend’s ex-wife “over the top,” Deadline Detroit reported, based on police records.

Now Carone is telling a much different story, despite what she reportedly told police. Carone admitted in a phone interview that she initially told police she believed her fiance’s ex-wife unlawfully obtained the videos. But she argued that she didn’t make a false allegation at the time because she honestly believed that was the case.

“I didn’t make a false accusation. That is what I thought at the time. That is what I assumed to be the truth at the time,” Carone said. “He had not yet came out and told me that he had sent it.”

Stackpoole told HuffPost in a text message that he sent the explicit videos to his ex-wife.

Nevertheless, Carone insisted that Americans should still believe she told the truth about voter fraud in Detroit. “I’m 100% credible,” Carone said. “I’ve already talked to Trump and Giuliani about this.”

When pressed on her claim that she spoke to the president, Carone revised her story. “I’ve talked directly to Giuliani that has spoken directly to Trump,” Carone said.

A staffing agency hired Carone to provide temporary assistance to Dominion Voting Systems at the TCF Center in Detroit.

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She later appeared on Lou Dobbs’ show on Fox Business to float a conspiracy theory that vans of food for election workers might have secretly been filled with ballots. Giuliani repeated her claims on Fox Business and Fox News in mid-November.

A Michigan judge declared Carone’s wild accusations “simply are not credible.” Like many of the Michigan conservatives who made outlandish claims about the vote count in Detroit, Carone has posted a number of stories from conspiracy websites about mass voter fraud.

But it was her testimony alongside Giuliani that went viral last week. Carone made sweeping, baffling, wholly noncredible accusations of mass criminality. “Everything that happened at that TCF Center was fraud,” Carone claimed at one point. “Every single thing.”

A clip of Carone’s testimony posted by this reporter racked up more than 21 million views as Twitter users compared her to Cecily Strong’s “Girl You Wish You Hadn’t Started a Conversation With at a Party” character on “Saturday Night Live.”

The video also made the rounds of the late night shows. Jimmy Fallon asked whether Giuliani found her on “LinkedInsane.” Jimmy Kimmel wondered if she was wearing a “Rosé All Day” tank top under her scarf. And Stephen Colbert joked that Carone ended her testimony by saying she’d “like to speak to America’s manager.”

Even Giuliani, who twice appeared to audibly flatulate during his testimony, seemed embarrassed by Carone’s behavior. Giuliani tried to shush her and calm her down when she faced off with a Republican legislator asking basic questions about Carone’s conspiracy theories.

Provided with a summary of HuffPost’s reporting, Carone’s former attorney, David Loeckner, confirmed that he represented her in the case but said he couldn’t offer any details of the case. HuffPost asked the attorney whether the public should take any of her voter fraud claims seriously given what he knows about Carone.

“I do not have any comment,” Loeckner replied.

Todd Barron, an attorney for Carone’s victim, hadn’t seen any of Carone’s eye-opening testimony when he spoke to HuffPost. But he also wasn’t shocked once he was filled in.

“Let me say I’m not surprised,” Barron said.

Carone, based on her social media track record, has lived an eventful life. The charges that led to her probation grew out of a long-running dispute with Stackpoole’s ex-wife. An official with the Lincoln Park Police Department told HuffPost that there was “a lot of back and forth contact” between the couple and Stackpoole’s ex-wife, with somewhere between 15 and 20 police reports involving the trio dating back to 2017. Police in Southgate, Michigan, brought the case that led to Carone’s probation.

The Southgate detective assigned to the case did not respond to HuffPost’s multiple requests for comment, but Stackpoole’s ex-wife said he eventually determined the videos were emailed from a public Wi-Fi network. Stackpoole now admits that he sent the videos, but police records showed that Stackpoole told Lincoln Park police earlier that “he is not sure how someone would get sexual videos of him and his girlfriend” and that he thought his ex-wife “somehow was able to access his Google account to view his pictures and videos that he had stored on his Google account.”

Stackpoole’s ex-wife said Stackpoole’s false report to the Lincoln Park police led to an investigation that cost her a lot of money. She said she eventually took a lie-detector test to show that she hadn’t unlawfully accessed her ex-husband’s account.

Barron, the attorney for Stackpoole’s ex-wife, said that he recalled that Carone “testified that my client had sent these videos out or had hacked [Stackpoole’s] phone” and was “adamant that she was appalled that these videos had gotten out.”

Stackpoole’s ex-wife has known Carone for years and said the pair were like sisters at one point. But she said she “never heard a political word out of her mouth” until recently and thinks Carone is simply seizing an opportunity for publicity.

Carone has posted plenty of Trump content on social media. Minutes after she testified that she “had to get rid of social media,” Carone posted images of herself with Giuliani and Trump attorney Jenna Ellis on Facebook.

“I just think this was an easy bandwagon for her to jump on,” Stackpoole’s ex-wife said. “She is a very calculating and methodical person.”

Carone still pushes her discredited conspiracy theories about mass voter fraud in Detroit. In a conversation with HuffPost on Saturday, she declined to say how much actual training she received on how the voting process works but said HuffPost would “blow up” if it wrote about a 10-minute video she found on her phone that was going to expose a mass criminal conspiracy to steal the election for Joe Biden.

“You guys are acting stupid about it. You’re acting like you don’t know what’s going on. You’re acting, like, ‘Oh, my God, you guys are crazy,’” Carone said. “But you know what I just found? I just found something on my phone that is going to blow this all up in about three days.”

Stackpoole said that HuffPost shouldn’t focus on the false claims he and Carone made against his ex-wife and should instead look into the mass voter fraud conspiracy theories floated by his fiance.
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Post by jwhouk » Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:36 am

Every single challenge is based on hearsay and allegations that are not founded on factual evidence.

And even AG Barr has stated that any amount of errors aren’t enough to overcome the results.

He lost, people.
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Post by lake_wrangler » Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:03 pm

jwhouk wrote:
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Every single challenge is based on hearsay and allegations that are not founded on factual evidence.
Every challenge? A lot of the testimony I listened to sounded like eyewitness testimony of people seeing illegal activities and wrongdoings, not just hearsay...
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And even AG Barr has stated that any amount of errors aren’t enough to overcome the results.
Actually, all he said was that he had not seen up to that point evidence of sufficient fraud to overturn the results of the election, and that the investigation was not over yet. In other words, that was non-news, which the mainstream media decided they wanted to turn into a definitive, conclusive, and concluded thing.



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Re: Vote.

Post by AnotherFairportfan » Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:41 pm

Not sure if this should go in the "Vote" thread or the COVID thread:
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