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Re: Vote.

Post by TazManiac » Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:23 am

Trump is an ass. Always has been, it's not Strength he displays; it's Bluster and Bullying, and Buffoonery. And he sucks at even those performances.

This is not about the Left or the Right, Democrat of Republican or Other. This is my observation based on things he has done and said, even from places and outlets that were seeking to cast him in a favorable. light.

"I don't need to Govern, or even Lead, I just need to Impress enough people that I can gain the top spot, and keep it." But the Emperor has no clothes and the shiny Fearmongering wore thin over time.

My informal polling has led my to identify two very large groups of people, of the ones who actually voted this last go round-

1) That Dude is Crazy!, I'm not voting for Him! &

2) I'm voting for Trump because he's going to keep 'Those Other People' (tm) from taking my stuff.

The dude should have attended Clown College w/ Barnum & Bailey et al; (didn't they used to Winter Over in Florida?) , He'd have done a better job w/ some Higher Learning.

[edit] - I wanted to amend my rant with I have decided opinions, but I mean no disrespect to my fellow forum-ites.
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Re: Vote.

Post by Warrl » Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:04 pm

lake_wrangler wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:47 pm
Yes, it is becoming difficult to know who to trust.
I dunno... I find it easy to determine whom I trust on political stuff.

NOBODY.

The information content of politicians' statements, media statements, and social-media statements on political matters (and in their hands pretty much everything is political) is equal to that of the quacking ducks in the local pond. And I hope that isn't insulting to the ducks.

(And yes, I do contribute to the meaningless noise. Occasionally at some length.)

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Re: Vote.

Post by lake_wrangler » Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:44 pm

We can all rest in peace, knowing that the left is sure to protect religious freedom, seeing as it truly understand what religion is about...

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Re: Vote.

Post by AnotherFairportfan » Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:58 pm

Okay - this was originally posted to the wrong thread:
Lou Dobbs’ Vote Fraud Lies Debunked On His Program After Legal Threat By Vote Tech Firm
The segment shot down Dobbs’ previous claims after a letter from Smartmatic demanded “full and complete retraction of all its false and defamatory statements.”
Fox Business host Lou Dobbs aired a segment on his program Friday debunking his own screeds about election fraud following a legal threat from a company he’s been baselessly attacking.

Dobbs featured a nonpartisan election expert who shot down his attacks after Fox News, which owns Fox Business, received a letter from a lawyer representing the election tech company Smartmatic.

“There are lots of opinions about the integrity of the election,” Dobbs said at the start of the segment, before turning to a pretaped interview with Edward Perez of the nonprofit Open Source Election Technology Institute contradicting his claims about Smartmatic.

The detailed 20-page letter from Smartmatic demanded a “full and complete retraction of all false and defamatory statements and reports” aired by the network in its coverage of the presidential election. Similar letters were sent to media outlets Newsmax and One America News, which regularly back Donald Trump.

“Fox News has engaged in a concerted disinformation campaign against Smartmatic,” the letter stated. “Fox News told its millions of viewers and readers that Smartmatic was founded by [the late Venezuelan President] Hugo Chávez, that its software was designed to fix elections, and that Smartmatic conspired with others to defraud the American people and fix the 2020 U.S. election by changing, inflating, and deleting votes.”

The claims are categorically false, stated the letter, which included quotes from Dobbs that it slammed as “false and defamatory statements/implications.”

Fox News, Newsmax and One America News could have “easily discovered the falsity of the statements and implications made about Smartmatic by investigating their statements before publishing them to millions of viewers and readers,” the letter noted.

The letter said the three media operations have exaggerated the company’s role in the elections, and that Smartmatic was involved with only Los Angeles County’s publicly owned voting system.

As part of a scramble to avoid being sued by the company, the same fact-checking segment was aired on Fox News’ “Justice With Judge Jeanine” Saturday night. It is also scheduled to air on “Sunday Morning Futures,” hosted by Maria Bartiromo, on Sunday, Fox News told The Washington Post.

The letter noted both programs had spewed false, defamatory information, including in statements given on the programs by Trump personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and QAnon-supporting lawyer Sidney Powell.

Trump alarmed his aides Friday as he revealed at a meeting in the Oval Office that he was considering naming Powell as a special counsel to investigate his imagined election fraud.

Dominion Voting Systems, which was also baselessly attacked by Trump supporters, demanded this week that Powell retract her statements about its voting systems.

“Your reckless disinformation campaign is predicated on lies that have endangered Dominion’s business and the lives of its employees,” lawyers for the company wrote.
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Re: Vote.

Post by AnotherFairportfan » Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:06 pm

...and the beat goes on:

Newsmax And Pro-Trump Media Walk Back Voting Conspiracies After Legal Threat
Smartmatic, a voting systems company, has threatened multiple outlets with defamation suits.
Newsmax, a far-right news network that routinely peddles baseless conspiracy theories that favor Donald Trump, over the weekend began airing a lengthy clarification of its coverage about voter fraud in the presidential election.

In a nearly two-minute statement that is being read on all Newsmax shows, the channel is essentially walking back its own groundless claims that electronic voting system companies Smartmatic and Dominion were involved in some kind of nefarious attempt to steal the election.

“There are several facts our viewers and readers should be aware,” host John Tabacco said on Monday, before debunking a long list of conspiratorial claims.

“Neither Dominion nor Smartmatic has any relationship with George Soros. Smartmatic is a U.S. company and not owned by the Venezuelan government, Hugo Chavez or any foreign official or entity. Smartmatic states it has no operations in Venezuela,” he continued.

Newsmax’s attempt to “clarify” its misinformation, which has the tone of a rote legal statement, was delivered after Smartmatic issued a series of legal threats to far-right media outlets last week demanding retractions and suggesting it could pursue defamation lawsuits. Thus far, Fox Business, Fox News and Newsmax have aired segments that appear intended to defend themselves against such legal action.

On Friday, top-rated Fox Business host Lou Dobbs ran a pretaped segment with election security expert Eddie Perez debunking various claims related to Smartmatic and Dominion. Fox News host Jeanine Pirro’s show aired the same clip on Saturday, featuring Perez stating he has seen no evidence of any election fraud related to Smartmatic.

After the clips aired, Perez told CNN that in preliminary talks with Fox he had no idea that he would be asked about Smartmatic or that his interview would serve as a fact check for the network. Perez also called Fox News’ coverage of the election “not based in fact.”

The clarifications on Newsmax and Fox are an abrupt turnaround after weeks of promoting conspiracies related to the integrity of the election as far-right media sought to suggest the election was never decided and that Trump could still win. To preserve this delusion, many outlets grasped for convoluted conspiracy theories to present the falsehood that there was widespread election fraud ― often with the help of Trump advisers as guests. Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer, appeared on multiple Fox shows to air conspiracies about Dominion and Smartmatic following the vote.

Even before the election, Trump and his allies in far-right media were also priming audiences for their claims of election fraud related to voting machines. In late October, “Fox & Friends” host Brian Kilmeade falsely suggested that viewers should be concerned over “voting machines that George Soros owns.” These falsehoods around voting systems especially gained traction among the pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy movement, which latched onto the misinformation as proof of Trump’s victory.

Smartmatic had previously condemned Trump and the far-right media’s promotion of conspiracy theories about the company, with chief executive Antonio Mugica claiming that the falsehoods had undermined faith in electronic voting internationally and hurt the company financially. Last week, Smartmatic’s general counsel issued a 20-page letter to Fox News and other outlets demanding that they retract their statements regarding the company.

One outlet that reportedly received a letter from Smartmatic but has not issued a public retraction or clarification yet is One America News Network, a far-right and sycophantically pro-Trump network that has aired similar reports to those on Newsmax and Fox News featuring conspiracies about electronic voting.
A thought:

If corporate lawyers are willing to file such a suit, they're pretty sure that they can disprove the allegations against their client.

In fact, Dominion, in letter i saw quoted but can't find right now, said that they were considering filing suit specifically to force the other side to try to back up their claims.

Put up or shut up, basically.
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Re: Vote.

Post by Atomic » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:27 am

Sounds like a SLAPP suit - Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation. The subject turns the tables on the accuser by getting a court to silence them pending a far-in-the-future resolution. There are laws against this now.
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Re: Vote.

Post by AnotherFairportfan » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:49 am

Atomic wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:27 am
Sounds like a SLAPP suit - Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation. The subject turns the tables on the accuser by getting a court to silence them pending a far-in-the-future resolution. There are laws against this now.
And Trump's campaign can afford all the lawyers it needs.
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Re: Vote.

Post by Bookworm » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:52 am

Locking thread down as being excessively political, and not in a particularly useful way.
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