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Wdot wrote:
I think or maybe hope that it will be more of A Boy Named Sue kind of thing. Either way, Bia personification of Force, feels like she did the right and necessary thing. Because she is a Titan, she did the right thing because might makes right and "Hello, personification of Force here." http://wapsisquare.com/comic/consequenc ... nipotence/ I agree it's gonna be a good ride either way. Because Bia could be an awesome bad guy like the Aries in the Hercules series.
Also noticed something in the comic in the above link. Bia tells Shelly "You are the offspring of a Titan." NOT descendant. NOT grandchild. Offspring - "....a new organism produced by one or more PARENTS." - Wikipedia
Yep, Nudge nailed it. Cover blown, Bia.
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Wdot wrote:. Because Bia could be an awesome bad guy like the Aries in the Hercules series.
The only thing that makes me doubt Bia as a bad guy is Paul seems to favor not having a real bad guy in the strip. Remember Monica noticed that the only bad guys were the ones that they brought themselves. (Sorry can't find the strip)
Could it be that Bia was misrepresented by the Greeks? Perhaps, instead of being simply the personification of Force, she's actually Forceful Well-Intentioned Ineptness?
I've noticed, that much like 'real life' there are no bad guys in the Wapsiverse. Just folks with different agendas.
Mayahuel's Calendar Machine was built to help her daughter overcome a psychological imbalance, but ended up throwing the planet into a series of time loops that didn't help anyone. Is May a bad person?
So is what Bia is scheming a bad thing? Probably not, she's trying to set the 'powers' in balance. Is her manipulation of people and events to reach this goal bad? Maybe in the perspective of those involved.
Her methods are coarse and unsympathetic, but her goal is for the greater good.
So who's the bad guy here?
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Jabberwonky wrote:I've noticed, that much like 'real life' there are no bad guys in the Wapsiverse. Just folks with different agendas.
Mayahuel's Calendar Machine was built to help her daughter overcome a psychological imbalance, but ended up throwing the planet into a series of time loops that didn't help anyone. Is May a bad person?
So is what Bia is scheming a bad thing? Probably not, she's trying to set the 'powers' in balance. Is her manipulation of people and events to reach this goal bad? Maybe in the perspective of those involved.
Her methods are coarse and unsympathetic, but her goal is for the greater good.
So who's the bad guy here?
Ah the real bad guy is perception
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starkruzr wrote:What does "apo" stand for again? And how/why is Phix not one? Or is she?
EDIT: And help me figure out how Shelly, Bia and Phix are ACTUALLY related? Are they not?
"Apo" is short for "apotropaic sphinx", and "apotropaic" means "a ward sgainst evil". In Egyptian and Indian mythology, sphinxes were often portrayed as guardians against evil, protecting temples or other ritual sites. In the Wapsi universe, the apotropaic sphinxes defended humans against the demons... in part, by killing any human they determined to have been taken over by demons. Phix rejected the "kill them to save them" philosophy, which is why she is often referred to here as being distinct from the apos.
Relationships: at this point, it appears that Shelly is Phix's grand-daughter, by way of Phix's half-human son.
Bia at first claimed that she's one of Shelly's ancestors (great grandmother) but not her mother. However, Nudge specifically "admired" Bia by saying that she's not just an ancestor but is in fact Shelly's mother (having "become" her father's childhood friend and then marrying him) and Bia did not deny this.
So, at the moment, information suggests that Shelly is one-quarter sphinx (via Phix), one-quarter human (via whatever man Phix had an affair with) and one-half titan (direct from Bia).
Some or all of this could be wrong, of course.
This helps!
So the one that Phix killed... he was also an apo? Or not? His voice "looked" weird and he had a goat head (sort of). And was the implication there, what he was saying, was that essentially a threat to rape?
starkruzr wrote:
So the one that Phix killed... he was also an apo? Or not? His voice "looked" weird and he had a goat head (sort of). And was the implication there, what he was saying, was that essentially a threat to rape?
Acctually, the Apo that was killed (dubbed Lil Ms S'plodyhead) was female and of a different breed of Sphinx than Phix. Lil Ms S'plodyhead was not threatening rape but rubbing it in Phix's face that Bia essentially screwed her over (convinced her that she needed to stay out of her sons life and have him raised on Earth) and was suggesting that she brought it on herself by being weak. But easy mistake.
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starkruzr wrote:
So the one that Phix killed... he was also an apo? Or not? His voice "looked" weird and he had a goat head (sort of). And was the implication there, what he was saying, was that essentially a threat to rape?
Acctually, the Apo that was killed (dubbed Lil Ms S'plodyhead) was female and of a different breed of Sphinx than Phix. Lil Ms S'plodyhead was not threatening rape but rubbing it in Phix's face that Bia essentially screwed her over (convinced her that she needed to stay out of her sons life and have him raised on Earth) and was suggesting that she brought it on herself by being weak. But easy mistake.
Now that we know there are male and female Apo-Sphinxes in the Wapsi world, it could be the Apos are the base species of sphinx. With both sexes, they could propagate their species without human interbreeding. Sphinxes like Phix may be the result of human and Apo breeding. If so, she would be genetically related to the Apos. One assumes the Apo in question could morph into a human looking being as needed since having sex with a goat-headed being would not be a pleasant experience. Well, maybe for one of those idiot women who would be thrilled to mate with Satan since that's pretty much who a male Apo would look like to humans.
It could also be that Phix's step up in rank by killing the Apo might mean a step up in rank within her overall Apo family, as opposed to a step up in the world of the library and it's hierarchy. We don't know anything of her family and it's dynamics. All this leads me to the thought that Phix may have also been taken from half of her heritage by being raised exclusively in the company of sphinxes. Similar to her son being raised exclusively in the world of humans.
Of course all this is pure speculation based on even more speculation, meaning it's probably totally and embarrassingly wrong.
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Jabberwonky wrote:So is what Bia is scheming a bad thing? Probably not, she's trying to set the 'powers' in balance. Is her manipulation of people and events to reach this goal bad? Maybe in the perspective of those involved.
Her methods are coarse and unsympathetic, but her goal is for the greater good.
So who's the bad guy here?
this "balancing the powers" reminds me of the Star Wars line about Anikin being the "chosen one" who could "bring balance to the Force"... as said by a "good" Jedi, that has been brought up believing that they had EXTERMINATED the Sith Lords OVER A THOUSAND YEARS EARLIER... What the Heck did they THINK was gonna happen?? he DID balance the Force, he brought about so much evil that it "balanced out" a millennium long "good" streak...
i seem to think that something similar is gonna happen here as well. Bia thinks she's doing one thing, in my opinion, i think she's trying to "bring the balance" back, by getting the TITANS back in control of things, not the Mortals that have been running things for the last few thousand years (or 80K+ total Loop-time however you want to look at it) but the reality of the REST of the universe's plans, means that it ain't gonna happen the way she WANTS it to, if at all... I'm thinking here more along the lines of the book "Good Omens" and the last few pages with the Angel and the Demon characters (can't remember their names... Crowley and ??)talking about how they think it's gonna end up at the Apocalypse, with the Mortals versus the Angels AND Demons at the end of things (following God's INEFFABLE PLAN ) rather than the mortals fighting each other as the combatants in an Angel VS Demon fight (like they THOUGHT they were fighting...)
Jabberwonky wrote:
I've noticed, that much like 'real life' there are no bad guys in the Wapsiverse. Just folks with different agendas.
Mayahuel's Calendar Machine was built to help her daughter overcome a psychological imbalance, but ended up throwing the planet into a series of time loops that didn't help anyone. Is May a bad person?
So is what Bia is scheming a bad thing? Probably not, she's trying to set the 'powers' in balance. Is her manipulation of people and events to reach this goal bad? Maybe in the perspective of those involved.
Her methods are coarse and unsympathetic, but her goal is for the greater good.
So who's the bad guy here?
Well, I probably misstyped when I wrote "bad guy". First of all Bia is definitely female and not a "guy." Second of all, I was thinking more in the line of opponent, the player you are against as in a game of chess. But when 'gods' and 'titans' play they play with mortals not chessmen. I never really thought of Aries as 'bad' per say in the old Hercules series. Just Hercs opponent a god with a different agenda. Bia is coming off as unlikeable. But she could very well just be Phixated on a problem that is so dire as to make everything else redundant (even feelings) by comparison.
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Jabberwonky wrote:
It's not the pesky that bothers me, it's the sense of being stared at, menacingly...
Then you've never let the cat's food dish accidently become empty......
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Jabberwonky wrote:
It's not the pesky that bothers me, it's the sense of being stared at, menacingly...
Then you've never let the cat's food dish accidently become empty......
My cat, a grey striped tabby named Rudy, would show his displeasure by sitting in front of you, deliberatly turning his back on you and meticulously clean himself until you got up to fix that problem...
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I agree it's gonna be a good ride either way. Because Bia could be an awesome bad guy like the Aries in the Hercules series.
) rather than the mortals fighting each other as the combatants in an Angel VS Demon fight (like they THOUGHT they were fighting...)
